PA39 with its counter rotating props was agood one. Al ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bahadir Acuner=20 To: allan9 ; airline=20 Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:30 PM Subject: RE: Re: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update I didn't say that I was doing stalls, just touch and go's .. :)=20 I don't have a problem with the airplane doing stalls at 3000 ft.. Now = if you are talking about Vmc demostration, then I think 11,000 feet = would be better :) It's an extremely fast airplane. We have all the LoPresti speed modes = that you can think about on this bird. I even did 190KTS in a normal = descent on this without even coming close to the red line.. I love the = airplane, the way it flies, and handles.. Landings are not too bad = either.. The thing that amazes me is the fact that we have 160hp on each = side and it's normal to get 150-160 kts on the cruise without pushing = the airplane too hard.. On the other twin that I have the most of my = time with, a PA44, 180 hp on each side was not enough to get to 140 = KTs.=20 That makes you appreciate the slick aerodynamics of the PA30 :) Regards,=20 BAHA Fan of having 2 hrs scheduled on PA30 tomorrow.. -----Original Message----- From: allan9 [mailto:exatc@neo.rr.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:21 PM To: The Airline List; Bahadir Acuner Subject: Re: Re: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update You're brave. When I was getting my multi, my instructor wouldn't do a stall = unless we were at least 3000AGL. He didn't trust the aircraft at all. Al ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bahadir Acuner=20 To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU=20 Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: Re: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update PA30 -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf = Of allan9 Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 5:33 PM To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update PA30 or PA39? Al ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Bahadir Acuner=3D20 To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU=3D20 Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: Re: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update Moses Lake, WA Rwy 14L/32R.. 13502 x 300 feet :) Once I shared a pattern at = this =3D aiport with a JAL 747-400 I was flying our schools Twin Comanche .. BAHA Fan of wathing 747-400 doing touch and goes :) -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On = Behalf Of =3D W Wilson Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:02 AM To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update You can add slightly more for BGR. The total length at BGR is = =3D actually 13,109 with a total usable 11,439 for both take-off and landing = =3D inclusive. http://www.flybangor.com/specs.asp Walter DCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "alexa d lancaster" <adjld14410@yahoo.com> To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:37 Subject: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update > Hi all, I have done some digging and this is what I found. = Thanks =3D to all who > helped. > > JFK tops at 14572, followed by DFW with 13401, MIA and ORD = with =3D 13000 and the > BGR one, which, depending on the source is 12680. > > I used to live in Denver, and I know that one of the DEN = runways now =3D has an > unofficial "usable" length of 13-something. I remember that = =3D modifications were > made to accommodate the Lufthansa FRT flight United wanted so = bad in Denver. > In the thin Denver air in the summer, a full plane cant = effectively =3D take off or > something to that nature was the concern. Also, the new = runway at =3D DEN to come > online in 04 or 15 will top them all at 16,000. > > Alexa > CLE > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D > "If you go back to the beginning of this country, the > great strength of America, as de Tocqueville pointed out when = he =3D came here a long time ago, has always been our ability to associate with = people =3D who were different from ourselves and to work together to find = common > ground." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=3DAE > http://movies.yahoo.com/