right Geoff and thats a boeing 744 and it doesnt do it nonstop going back to jnb- they make a stop at that island east of brazil. talkafrica <talkafrica@zol.co.zw> wrote: SAA does JFK-JNB non-stop which is quite a haul and probably as long as LHR-HNL. Geoff Joe Pries Commercial Aviation Photography Serving the airline industry with quality photography AOL IM AIRLINE72 http://www.joepries.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Yahoo! Greetings.