> On 11 Nov 2022, at 09:16, Paul Eggert <eggert@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 2022-11-11 00:38, Sam James wrote: >> All that to say, I don't propose making these options unconditional, >> because I think the boat has sailed as of glibc-2.34 [4], and I think >> it's fair that autoconf keep the behaviour as described in git master >> right now given the situation with glibc, but I don't think it's >> a wise path for most distributions to follow. > As a practical matter, I expect that each distro will have to do a big-bang move, assuming the distro want to support traditional 32-bit platforms at all. It makes little sense to try to have some programs and libraries with 32-bit time_t, while others have 64-bit time_t. Just switch to 64-bit time_t everywhere. > > This is not something distros can put off for long. We're only 15 years from when 32-bit time_t stops working. If distros plan to to support traditional 32-bit platforms, they really need to do the big-bang move soon. They can do it by predefining _TIME_BITS=64 and _FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64, or by using the new Autoconf macros, or whatever. > > One possible way forward would be for glibc to change its defaults for _FILE_OFFSET_BITS and _TIME_BITS to be 64, in the next major release. This would make it easier to do a big-bang switch, which is what people need to do anyway. The backward-compatibility argument for defaulting these to 32 is making less and less sense as time goes on. +1. I completely agree and I've reached the same conclusion. My suggestion for configure args was to be a bit more gentle and avoid controversy, but really, your suggestion would work and would force distros to handle it at the same time, which is best for users. (And I really did try to make piecemeal work, but I've decided it can't.) I think we're at risk of distros either putting this off or equivocating which just harms our users. I should've spoken up at the time of 2.34. FWIW, musl did this and it really was for the best: https://musl.libc.org/time64.html.
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