> oh and recommended by whom? Oh Seth, you know: Recommended by, clinical studies prove; it all comes down to the eternal list: "it has been said" = my wife heard it "commonly agreed" = my mother in law heard it too "most people" = my neighbor has also heard it "is is a fact" = my boss has heard it "from reliable sources" = the guy at the nudy bar has heard it "intelligence reports" = the bartender heard it too "it is certain" = my dad heard it well the list goes on - something like that. Karsten