Re: less(1) TERM requirements; man page update

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Dave Anderson wrote:
Markus Armbruster wrote:

Dave Anderson <anderson@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:


D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:

| From: Dave Anderson <anderson@xxxxxxxxxx>
| Fine, but at a minimum I propose the addition of a "--more" command
| line argument to force its use instead of "less". With that in place,
| I've verified that crash scrolling works fine using the "vanilla"
| TERM type, and I presume that using "more" for scrolling would suffice
| within the emacs/jove/vanilla environment as well?
Would it not be better to use $PAGER to make this choice?
- it is already a convention
- it doesn't add to the tangle of options
- it allows even more control (eg. PAGER=cat)


I guess because $PAGER is typically not set, and PAGER=cat is
pretty much the same as "set scroll off".



I don't mind when a tool has its own idiosyncratic default for unset
$PAGER, but I do mind when it ignores $PAGER in favour of its own
idiosyncratic pager selection mechanism.


Ok -- but I'm still curious as to what other pager would be
preferable to less, more, or none?

Dave

I worked up a test version of crash that defaults to the use
of the PAGER variable (instead of less -E -X with a prompt).

I would presume that setting PAGER=/usr/bin/less might be
a typical practice.  But when doing so, less (with no arguments)
always requires user interaction to continue, even if the output
is less than a page size in length, and what's worse, it then
clears the output screen.  That type of behaviour is unacceptable,
and is exactly the type of issue that I was worrying about.

That being said, I will go along with the use of the PAGER
variable, but not by default.  It's going to have to be
a .crashrc or command-line setting.  I don't think that's
unreasonable -- certainly nobody's ever complained about it
in the past.

Idiosyncratically,
  Dave









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