On 26/02/14 19:02, Eric Blake wrote: > When you say "creation timestamp", do you mean the time at which the > qemu process was spawned (as in 'virsh create' for transient guests or > 'virsh start' for persistent guests - basically an uptime measurement) > or the time at which XML was first recorded for the guest (as in > 'virsh create' or 'virsh define' - more of an initial install > timestamp, with no bearing on actual runtime of the guest)? I'm > assuming that you'd want live migration to preserve the timestamp, but > what happens with reverting to snapshots or saving/restoring from > files (which are also situations that create a new qemu process, but > where the guest has previous uptime already accumulated)? sorry, our conversation got split between here and the bug report I filed. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1070411 Just to clarify A timestamp of when the domain is first defined. (when the UUID for the domain is allocated) My /particular/ use case involves tracking guest resource usage over time. I need to maintain a consistant ordering of virtual machines. Domain ID is not persistant, and the UUID (while unique and persistant) is not useful for sorting. Ideally, I would want something like <domain type='kvm'> <name>banana</name> <uuid>b4f24019-ee69-6b4b-34a1-40f6e4126c57</uuid> <created>1393442012</created> ... </domain> For my particular need I've hacked the timestamp out of the apparmor definition file stat --format="%Y" /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt/libvirt-${VM_UUID} I just thought it was a useful piece of info that may be worth formally including in the domain definition. -- Tony Atkinson _______________________________________________ libvirt-users mailing list libvirt-users@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvirt-users