Re: [PATCH v5 1/5] Introduce virDomainFSFreeze() and virDomainFSThaw() public API

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On 4/25/14 5:44 , "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 09:29:04PM +0000, Tomoki Sekiyama wrote:
>> On 4/24/14 4:58 , "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 12:16:00AM +0000, Tomoki Sekiyama wrote:
>> >> Hi Daniel,
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> On 4/23/14 5:55 , "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 06:22:18PM +0000, Tomoki Sekiyama wrote:
>> >> >> Hi Daniel,
>> >> >> thanks for your comment.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> On 4/22/14 11:39 , "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>wrote:
>> >> >> >On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 11:39:29AM -0400, Tomoki Sekiyama wrote:
>> >> >> >> +
>> >> >> >> +/**
>> >> >> >> + * virDomainFSFreeze:
>> >> >> >> + * @dom: a domain object
>> >> >> >> + * @disks: list of disk names to be frozen
>> >> >> >> + * @ndisks: the number of disks specified in @disks
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I realize this current patch series doesn't use the @disks
>>parameter
>> >> >> >at all, but what exactly are we expecting to be passed here ? Is
>> >> >> >this a list of filesystem paths from the guest OS pov, or is it a
>> >> >> >list of disks targets from libvirt's POV ? I'm guessing the
>>former
>> >> >> >since this is expected to be passed to the guest agent.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> My intention for 'disks' is latter, a list of disks targets from
>> >> >> libvirt's POV.
>> >> >> Currently it is just a placeholder of API. It would be passed to
>>the
>> >> >> agent after it is converted into a list of device addresses (e.g.
>>a
>> >>pair
>> >> >> of drive address and controller's PCI address) so that the agent
>>can
>> >> >> look up filesystems on the specified disks.
>> >> >
>> >> >Hmm, I wonder how practical such a conversion will be.
>> >> >
>> >> >eg libvirt has a block device "sda", but the guest OS may have added
>> >> >a partition table (sda1, sda2, sda3, etc) and then put some of those
>> >> >partitions into LVM (volgroup00) and then created logical volume
>> >> >(vol1, vol2, etc). The guest agent can freeze individual filesystems
>> >> >on each logical volume, so if the API is just taking libvirt block
>> >> >device names, we can't express any way to freeze the filesystems the
>> >> >guest has.
>> >> 
>> >> Specifying libvirt disk alias name is coming from applications'
>> >> requirement. For example, OpenStack cinder driver only knows provide
>> >> libvirt device names.
>> >> It is also nice if virDomainSnapshotCreateXML can specify 'disks' to
>>be
>> >> frozen when only a subset of the disks is specified in snapshot XML.
>> >> 
>> >> I'm now prototyping qemu-guest-agent code to resolve filesystems from
>> >> disk addresses, and it is working with virtio/SATA/IDE/SCSI drives on
>> >> x86 Linux guests. It can also handle LVM logical volumes that lies on
>> >> multiple partitions on multiple disks.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> 
>>>>https://github.com/tsekiyama/qemu/commit/6d26115e769a7fe6aba7be52d21804
>>>>53
>> >>ac
>> >> a5fee5
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> This gathers disk device information from sysfs in the guest.
>> >> On windows, I hope Virtual Disk Service can provide this kind of
>> >> informations too.
>> >
>> >All of this assumes that you're only interested in freezing filesystems
>> >that are backed by virtual devices exposes from the hypervisor. A guest
>> >OS could be directly accessing iSCSI/RBD/Gluster volumes. IMHO, it is
>> >within scope of this API to be able to freeze/thaw such volumes, but
>> >if you make the API take libvirt disk names, this is impossible, since
>> >these volumes are invisible to libvirt.
>> >
>> >What you propose is also fairly coarse because you are forcing all
>> >filesystems on a specified block device to be suspended at the
>> >same time. That is indeed probably the common case need, but it is
>> >desirable not to lock ourselves into that as the only option.
>> >
>> >Finally, if the guest is doing filesystem passthrough (eg virtio-9p)
>> >then we ought to allow for freeze/thaw of such filesystems, which
>> >again don't have any block device associated with libvirt XML.
>> >
>> >> >So I think we have no choice but to actually have the API take a
>> >> >list of guest "volumes" (eg mount points in Linux, or drive letters
>> >> >in Windows).
>> >> >
>> >> >Ideally the guest agent would also provide a way to list all
>> >> >currently known guest "volumes" so we could expose that in the
>> >> >API too later.
>> >> 
>> >> Possibly. If the volumes information from the API contains the
>> >> dependent hardware addresses, libvirt clients might be able to map
>> >> the volumes and libvirt disks from domain XML.
>> >> In this case, specifying subset volumes in virDomainSnapshotCreateXML
>> >> would be difficult. Maybe libvirt should provide the mapping
>>function.
>> >> 
>> >> Which way do you prefer?
>> >
>> >IMHO the more I look at this, the more I think we need to provide a way
>> >for apps to enumerate mount points in the guest, so that we can cover
>> >freeze/thaw of individual filesystems, not merely block device.
>> 
>> OK, then, APIs will look like
>> 
>>   int virDomainFSFreeze(virDomainPtr dom, const char *mountPoints,
>>                         unsigned int nMountPoints, unsigned int flags);
>> 
>>   int virDomainFSThaw(virDomainPtr dom, unsigned int flags);
>> 
>> As we drop nesting, FSThaw will not take mountPoints argument.
>
>Actually, even without nesting, I think it is still potentially valuable
>to allow us to thaw individual filesystems. I'd include mountPoints in
>the args, even if we don't intend it implement it in QEMU  for the
>forseeable future, just to future proof it.

I see. I'll make them :

   int virDomainFSFreeze(virDomainPtr dom, const char *mountPoints,
                         unsigned int nMountPoints, unsigned int flags);
   int virDomainFSThaw(virDomainPtr dom, const char *mountPoints,
                       unsigned int nMountPoints, unsigned int flags);





however QEMU driver might ignore mountPoints in virDomainFSThaw.

>Regards,
>Daniel

Regards,
Tomoki Sekiyama


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