On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 01:51:40PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:37:27AM +0000, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 01:34:15PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:29:18AM +0000, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:21:53PM +0100, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > > > > Am 14.11.2011 12:08, schrieb Daniel P. Berrange:
> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:24:22PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:16:10AM +0000, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:25:34PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On 11/11/2011 12:15 PM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> Am 10.11.2011 22:30, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
> > > > > >>>>>> Live migration with qcow2 or any other image format is just not going to work
> > > > > >>>>>> right now even with proper clustered storage. I think doing a block level flush
> > > > > >>>>>> cache interface and letting block devices decide how to do it is the best approach.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> I would really prefer reusing the existing open/close code. It means
> > > > > >>>>> less (duplicated) code, is existing code that is well tested and doesn't
> > > > > >>>>> make migration much of a special case.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> If you want to avoid reopening the file on the OS level, we can reopen
> > > > > >>>>> only the topmost layer (i.e. the format, but not the protocol) for now
> > > > > >>>>> and in 1.1 we can use bdrv_reopen().
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Intuitively I dislike _reopen style interfaces. If the second open
> > > > > >>>> yields different results from the first, does it invalidate any
> > > > > >>>> computations in between?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> What's wrong with just delaying the open?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> If you delay the 'open' until the mgmt app issues 'cont', then you loose
> > > > > >>> the ability to rollback to the source host upon open failure for most
> > > > > >>> deployed versions of libvirt. We only fairly recently switched to a five
> > > > > >>> stage migration handshake to cope with rollback when 'cont' fails.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Daniel
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I guess reopen can fail as well, so this seems to me to be an important
> > > > > >> fix but not a blocker.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If if the initial open succeeds, then it is far more likely that a later
> > > > > > re-open will succeed too, because you have already elminated the possibility
> > > > > > of configuration mistakes, and will have caught most storage runtime errors
> > > > > > too. So there is a very significant difference in reliability between doing
> > > > > > an 'open at startup + reopen at cont' vs just 'open at cont'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Based on the bug reports I see, we want to be very good at detecting and
> > > > > > gracefully handling open errors because they are pretty frequent.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you have some more details on the kind of errors? Missing files,
> > > > > permissions, something like this? Or rather something related to the
> > > > > actual content of an image file?
> > > >
> > > > Missing files due to wrong/missing NFS mounts, or incorrect SAN / iSCSI
> > > > setup. Access permissions due to incorrect user / group setup, or read
> > > > only mounts, or SELinux denials. Actual I/O errors are less common and
> > > > are not so likely to cause QEMU to fail to start any, since QEMU is
> > > > likely to just report them to the guest OS instead.
> > >
> > > Do you run qemu with -S, then give a 'cont' command to start it?
>
> Probably in an attempt to improve reliability :)
Not really. We can't simply let QEMU start its own CPUs, because there are
various tasks that need performing after the migration transfer finishes,
but before the CPUs are allowed to be started. eg
- Finish 802.11Qb{g,h} (VEPA) network port profile association on target
- Release leases for any resources associated with the source QEMU
via a configured lock manager (eg sanlock)
- Acquire leases for any resources associated with the target QEMU
via a configured lock manager (eg sanlock)
Daniel
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