On Wed, May 01, 2024 at 11:31:13AM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> What I worry more is whether this is really what we want to keep rdma in
> qemu, and that's also why I was trying to request for some serious
> performance measurements comparing rdma v.s. nics. And here when I said
> "we" I mean both QEMU community and any company that will support keeping
> rdma around.
>
> The problem is if NICs now are fast enough to perform at least equally
> against rdma, and if it has a lower cost of overall maintenance, does it
> mean that rdma migration will only be used by whoever wants to keep them in
> the products and existed already? In that case we should simply ask new
> users to stick with tcp, and rdma users should only drop but not increase.
>
> It seems also destined that most new migration features will not support
> rdma: see how much we drop old features in migration now (which rdma
> _might_ still leverage, but maybe not), and how much we add mostly multifd
> relevant which will probably not apply to rdma at all. So in general what
> I am worrying is a both-loss condition, if the company might be easier to
> either stick with an old qemu (depending on whether other new features are
> requested to be used besides RDMA alone), or do periodic rebase with RDMA
> downstream only.
I don't know much about the originals of RDMA support in QEMU and why
this particular design was taken. It is indeed a huge maint burden to
have a completely different code flow for RDMA with 4000+ lines of
custom protocol signalling which is barely understandable.
I would note that /usr/include/rdma/rsocket.h provides a higher level
API that is a 1-1 match of the normal kernel 'sockets' API. If we had
leveraged that, then QIOChannelSocket class and the QAPI SocketAddress
type could almost[1] trivially have supported RDMA. There would have
been almost no RDMA code required in the migration subsystem, and all
the modern features like compression, multifd, post-copy, etc would
"just work".
I guess the 'rsocket.h' shim may well limit some of the possible
performance gains, but it might still have been a better tradeoff
to have not quite so good peak performance, but with massively
less maint burden.
With regards,
Daniel
[1] "almost" trivially, because the poll() integration for rsockets
requires a bit more magic sauce since rsockets FDs are not
really FDs from the kernel's POV. Still, QIOCHannel likely can
abstract that probme.
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