On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 08:52:15AM -0700, Andrea Bolognani wrote: > On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 04:28:11PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > > IOW, I think the problem needs to be raised & addressed in context of > > > > the Fedora and systemd communities, rather than having libvirt diverge > > > > from normal Feora packaging practice. > > > > > > I absolutely agree with you, and I fully intend to push for these > > > changes (or comparable ones) to be implemented in systemd, where they > > > belong and from where they can benefit more than just us. > > > > > > That said, timing is a concern. Fedora 38 and RHEL 9.2 are both on > > > libvirt 9.0.0 at the moment, so they haven't been hit by the issue > > > yet, but new releases for both are just around the corner and I have > > > little confidence that we'd be able to push the necessary changes > > > through in time. So a local solution seems like the only plausible > > > way that we can avoid breaking user's deployments. > > > > If we at least start the discussion, we can get feedback on whether the > > idea is likely to gain traction, or there are other things we have > > overlooked > > I can open an issue on the systemd side pointing to these patches, > but polishing things up to the level of a proper PR is off the table > right now because I simply can't allocate enough time for it. Would > you consider that good enough to move forward with the libvirt > changes? > > On the Fedora side, I wouldn't know what forum would be the most > appropriate to get the discussion started. Any pointers? Fedora devel list is probably the catch all place to raise it https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/ There is a packaging list, which is technically the most on-topic place, but it is mostly a ghost town as people tend to use the devel list for everything https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/ With regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :|