On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 01:22:22PM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: > On 30/01/2023 13.01, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 11:47:02AM +0000, Peter Maydell wrote: > > > On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 at 11:44, Thomas Huth <thuth@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > Testing 32-bit host OS support takes a lot of precious time during the QEMU > > > > contiguous integration tests, and considering that many OS vendors stopped > > > > shipping 32-bit variants of their OS distributions and most hardware from > > > > the past >10 years is capable of 64-bit > > > > > > True for x86, not necessarily true for other architectures. > > > Are you proposing to deprecate x86 32-bit, or all 32-bit? > > > I'm not entirely sure about whether we're yet at a point where > > > I'd want to deprecate-and-drop 32-bit arm host support. > > Even mobile phones have 64-bit processors nowadays, Rasberry PIs are 64-bit > nowadays ... which arm hosts scenarios are still limited to 32-bit ? > > Also, as far as I know, 32-bit KVM arm support has been removed from the > Linux kernel a while ago already, so it's just about TCG now ... is there > really still that much interest in running emulation on a non-beefy 32-bit > host? > > Anyway, we could add the deprecation notice now to find out if there are > still 32-bit users out there who will then start complaining about this. > > > Do we have a feeling on which aspects of 32-bit cause us the support > > burden ? The boring stuff like compiler errors from mismatched integer > > sizes is mostly quick & easy to detect simply through a cross compile. > > The burden are the CI minutes of the shared CI runners. We've got quite a > bunch of 32-bit jobs in the CI: > > - cross-armel-system > - cross-armel-user > - cross-armhf-system > - cross-armhf-user > - cross-i386-system > - cross-i386-user > - cross-i386-tci > - cross-mipsel-system > - cross-mipsel-user > - cross-win32-system > > If we could finally drop supporting 32-bit hosts, that would help with our > CI minutes problem quite a lot, I think. CI is a non-technical constraint, that's more about support level. If we want to save CI minutes, we can declare that some or all of the 32-bit hosts scenarios are now tier 2, rather than tier 1. So the 32-bit host support still exists, but we're not doing gating CI on every combination. eg could declare 32-bit for linux-user is tier 1 and fully tested but 32-bit machine emul is tier 2 and adhoc tested. Or make it more nuanced per arch target We only need to deprecate and delete if we have some wins at the code level that we can't do with while it exists. With regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :|
