On Wed, Jun 08, 2022 at 12:20:20PM -0400, Andrea Bolognani wrote: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2022 at 02:57:17PM -0600, Jim Fehlig wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I received a bug report (private, sorry) about inability to "deploy uefi > > virtual machine with secureboot enabled on aarch64 kvm host". Indeed the > > qemu driver has some checks that would prohibit using secure boot with > > aarch64 virt machines, e.g. > > > > https://gitlab.com/libvirt/libvirt/-/blob/master/src/qemu/qemu_validate.c#L571 > > > > However it appears qemu does not restrict booting a firmware with keys > > enrolled and secure boot enabled. E.g. > > > > qemu-system-aarch64 -m 4096 -cpu host -accel kvm -smp 4 -M virt -drive if=pflash,format=raw,readonly=on,file=/usr/share/qemu/aavmf-aarch64-opensuse-code.bin > > -drive > > if=pflash,format=raw,file=/vm_images/jim/images/test/test-vars-store.bin ... > > > > seems to work fine and within the guest I see db keys loaded by kernel > > > > [ 4.782777] integrity: Loading X.509 certificate: UEFI:db > > [ 4.789494] integrity: Loaded X.509 cert 'Build time autogenerated kernel > > key: 44e3470bd0c5eb190e3292dfc42db061521184ee' > > [ 4.789548] integrity: Loading X.509 certificate: UEFI:db > > [ 4.789701] integrity: Loaded X.509 cert 'openSUSE Secure Boot Signkey: > > 0332fa9cbf0d88bf21924b0de82a09a54d5defc8' > > [ 4.789710] integrity: Loading X.509 certificate: UEFI:db > > [ 4.789841] integrity: Loaded X.509 cert 'SUSE Linux Enterprise Secure > > Boot Signkey: 3fb077b6cebc6ff2522e1c148c57c777c788e3e7' > > > > Can we consider easing the secure boot restrictions in qemuValidateDomainDefBoot? > > Will such a configuration refuse to boot an unsigned guest OS? Is it > reasonably tamper-proof (see below)? If the answer to both of these > question is yes, then relaxing the check sounds reasonable. > > > Experimenting with the behavior on x86 raised other questions: > > > > libvirt requires the firmware to support SMM to enable secure boot. But is > > SMM a strict requirement for secure boot? IIUC, lack of SMM makes the > > securely booted stack less secure since it is easier to tamper with it, but > > it does not prevent securely booting the components. > > I've been looking into this recently with the help of a colleague > who's way more knowledgeable about the topic than I could possibly > ever be and the short explanation is that, if you don't have SMM > enabled and the loader marked as secure, then the guest OS will be > able to modify the chain of trust stored in NVRAM, thus defeating the > purpose of enabling secure boot in the first place. > > I don't think we should relax these requirements, as doing so has the > potential to lure users into a false sense of security. Note SMM is a x86 specific concept. I agree we shouldn't remove that rule for x86, because that makes SecureBoot as robust as a chocolate teapot. Jim started by talking about aarch64 though, and there's no SSM concept there. In fact everything in qemuValidateDomainDefBoot is entirely x86 specific right now wrt secure boot. So this method will definitely need work for aarch64. > > When selecting firmwares manually and marking the loader secure, VM creation > > fails unless SMM is explicitly set in <features>. E.g. the following will > > fail with "unsupported configuration: Secure boot requires SMM feature > > enabled" > > > > <os> > > <type arch="x86_64" machine="q35">hvm</type> > > <loader readonly="yes" secure="yes" > > type="pflash">/usr/share/qemu/ovmf-x86_64-smm-code.bin</loader> > > <nvram template="/usr/share/qemu/ovmf-x86_64-smm-vars.bin"/> > > <boot dev="hd"/> > > </os> > > > > even though the descriptor file for /usr/share/qemu/ovmf-x86_64-smm-code.bin > > advertises secure-boot and requires-smm. Is this just a case of trying to > > mix old style explicit firmware selection vs firmware auto-select? I.e., if > > selecting the firmware explicitly, the onus is on the user to also specify > > any related and required config? > > The manual firmware selection interface is too complex to be > reasonably useful to regular users, so I think it's fair to consider > it a development tool / legacy interface at this point. Anyone who's > not a libvirt or firmware developer should really use the > feature-based firmware selection interface instead. > > I have a couple of improvements to the automatic firmware selection > feature and the corresponding documentation in mind. Hopefully I'll > get around to post patches over the next few days. To expand on this, if you're using auto-selection it should all "just work". If you are not using auto-selection, then the *only* thing that the firmware descriptors are used for is to locate a template for the variables file. Anything else is ignored, as the user is considered to have said they want todo things manually. This is why the 'requires-smm' flag has no effect in Jim's example above. With regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :|
