On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 02:49:32PM +0200, Igor Mammedov wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 11:59:42 +0100
> Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 11:47:26AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 03:28:04PM +0530, Ani Sinha wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 02:35:47PM +0530, Ani Sinha wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 08:56:29AM +0530, Ani Sinha wrote:
> > > > > > > > This change introduces libvirt xml support for the following two pm options:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <pm>
> > > > > > > > <acpi-hotplug-bridge enabled='no'/>
> > > > > > > > <acpi-root-hotplug enabled='yes'/>
> > > > > > > > </pm>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > +``acpi-hotplug-bridge``
> > > > > > > > + :since:`Since 7.8.0` This option enables or disables BIOS ACPI based hotplug support
> > > > > > > > + for cold plugged bridges. It is available only for x86 guests, both for q35 and pc
> > > > > > > > + machine types. For pc machines, the support is available from `QEMU 2.12`. For q35
> > > > > > > > + machines, the support is available from `QEMU 6.1`. Examples of cold plugged bridges
> > > > > > > > + include PCI-PCI bridges for pc machine types (pci-bridge controller). For q35 machines,
> > > > > > > > + it includes PCIE root ports (pcie-root-port controller). This is a global option that
> > > > > > > > + affects all bridges. No other bridge specific option is required to be specified.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you confirm my understanding of the situation..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - i440fx / PCI topology - hotplug always uses ACPI
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ACPI is the primary means of enabling hotplug. shpc might also have a role
> > > > > > here but I think it is disabled. Igor (cc'd) might throw some lights on
> > > > > > how shpc comes to play.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, I think it will be important to understand if 'shpc' becomes relevant
> > > > > when ACPI hotplug is disabled for PCI
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > - q35 / PCIe topology - hotplug historically used native PCIe hotplug,
> > > > > > > but in 6.1 switched to ACPI
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Correct.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Given, the name "acpi-hotplug-bridge", am I right that this option
> > > > > > > has *no* effect, if the q35 machine is using native PCIe hotplug
> > > > > > > approach ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its complicated.
> > > > > > With "acpi-hotplug-bridge" ON, native hotplug is disabled in qemu.
> > > > > > With "acpi-hotplug-bridge" OFF, native hotplug is enabled in qemu.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, I mis-read and didn't realize this was controlling the QEMU
> > > > > "acpi-pci-hotplug-with-bridge-support" configuration.
> > > > >
> > > > > With this in mind I think the naming is somewhat misleading. Setting it
> > > > > to off would give users the impression that hotplug is disabled, which
> > > > > is not the case for Q35 at least. It is just switching to a different
> > > > > hotplug implementation.
> > > > >
> > > > > At least from Q35 pov, I think it would be better to call it
> > > > >
> > > > > hotplug-mode="acpi|pcie"
> > > > >
> > > > > so it is clear that no matter what value it is set to, hotplug
> > > > > is still available.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we also consider PIIX, then depending on the answer wrt shpc
> > > > > above, we might want one of
> > > > >
> > > > > hotplug-mode="acpi|pcie|none"
> > > > > hotplug-mode="acpi|pcie|shpc"
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > If libvirt does not deal with shpc today I think we should not bother with
> > > > shpc at all. We should simply have a boolean mode appropriately named that
> > > > choses between acpi hotplug vs native.
> > >
> > > I want to understand what's possible at the qemu hardware level,
> > > so we don't paint ourselves into a corner.
> > >
> > > IIUC, with shpc we only have a toggle on "pci-bridge" devices,
> > > and those currently have shpc=true by default. There's no shpc
> > > setting on the pci-root, and theres no global setting.
> >
> > Opps, I was mislead. They have shpc=false by default due to machine
> > types >= 2.9 overriding it to false
>
>
> If I read it correctly, shcp is on by default
> (modulo 2.9 see 2fa356629ed2)
Sigh, so I was mislead twice ! I should have just tested it for
real, which I have now done below which confirms what you say:
$ echo -e "info qtree\r\nquit\r\n" | qemu-system-x86_64 -monitor stdio -device pci-bridge,chassis_nr=4 | grep shpc
shpc = true
$ echo -e "info qtree\r\nquit\r\n" | qemu-system-x86_64 -monitor stdio -device pci-bridge,chassis_nr=4 -M pc-i440fx-2.8 | grep shpc
shpc = true
$ echo -e "info qtree\r\nquit\r\n" | qemu-system-x86_64 -monitor stdio -device pci-bridge,chassis_nr=4 -M pc-i440fx-2.9 | grep shpc
shpc = false
$ echo -e "info qtree\r\nquit\r\n" | qemu-system-x86_64 -monitor stdio -device pci-bridge,chassis_nr=4 -M pc-i440fx-2.10 | grep shpc
shpc = true
Regards,
Daniel
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