On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 11:04 AM Peter Krempa <pkrempa@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 22:04:01 +0300, Nir Soffer wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 4:35 PM Peter Krempa <pkrempa@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > We don't support all startup policies with all source types so to > > > correctly allow switching from a 'file' based cdrom with 'optional' > > > startup policy to a 'block' based one which doesn't support optional we > > > must update the startup policy field first. Obviously we need to have > > > fallback if the update fails. > > > > Why is there a difference between file and block for startup policy? > > I'm not sure about the historic reasons for why 'block' was not > considered when this was implemented originally. > > > Is this documented? > > (citation from 'formatdomain.rst' the source for https://www.libvirt.org/formatdomain.html ) > > For a "file" or "volume" disk type which represents a cdrom or floppy (the > ``device`` attribute), it is possible to define policy what to do with the > disk if the source file is not accessible. (NB, ``startupPolicy`` is not > valid for "volume" disk unless the specified storage volume is of "file" > type). This is done by the ``startupPolicy`` attribute ( :since:`since 0.9.7` > ), accepting these values: > > ========= ===================================================================== > mandatory fail if missing for any reason (the default) > requisite fail if missing on boot up, drop if missing on migrate/restore/revert > optional drop if missing at any start attempt > ========= ===================================================================== > > :since:`Since 1.1.2` the ``startupPolicy`` is extended to support hard disks > besides cdrom and floppy. On guest cold bootup, if a certain disk is not > accessible or its disk chain is broken, with startupPolicy 'optional' the > guest will drop this disk. This feature doesn't support migration currently. > > As you can notice only "file" and "volume" (pointing to a file) are > allowed. Looks like we missed this detail when adding support for cdrom on block storage. > > Do we have a way to switch from file to block with current libvirt > > (centos 8 stream, rhel 8.4) without this patch, or do we need to wait > > until this fix is available? (rhel 8.5?) > > You can issue two separate update calls. One updating the startup policy > first and then the second one updating the source. If the second call fails, this leave us with half of the change. > On another note, I don't quite understand though why oVirt actually even > uses startup policy in the first place. Since oVirt is already doing a > pretty complicated storage management, checking whether the image file > exists is a trivial operation. In oVirt we know that the image exists since we prepare it before starting the VM (e.g. activate logical volume), and we will fail the operation if the disk does not exists, so I think this attribute is not needed for our use case and it should be removed. > Similarly, when migrating you can use the destination XML (which can be > optionally used with the migration API) allows you to update storage > source and even provide empty storage for a cdrom. This can be used to > update paths to storage too. This allows superior flexibility when > compared to startup policy. Even if we remove startupPolicy in new oVirt version, we have to support migration from an older version using startupPolicy in the xml. Nir
