On 04/28/2017 02:34 AM, Ed Swierk wrote: > The panic device is currently documented as a way for "libvirt to receive panic notification from a QEMU guest". > > This is true, but not the whole story. When a guest triggers the panic device, QEMU pauses the guest, and libvirt takes the action specified by on_crash. This can interfere with the guest's own crash handling actions (e.g. writing a dump file and rebooting itself) if the guest triggers the panic device first (as Windows does). > > None of this is an obvious side effect of a notification mechanism, so the panic device documentation should mention it. (I'll send a documentation patch shortly.) > > Nor is this a desirable side effect, for guests that are configured to deal with crashes themselves. Sure, you can avoid using the panic device with such guests, but then virsh list or another application using the libvirt API to monitor domain state won't notice guest crashes. And if you still want libvirt to take action on guests that don't do it themselves, then you have to be careful to include the panic device only for those domains. > > Ideally libvirt would offer (1) a state indicating "this guest crashed and needs help" independently of triggering an action, and (2) a way to trigger an action only when needed to recover from the crash, excluding guests that deal with their own crashes. > > Sadly pvpanic and the HyperV crash MSR convey only that the guest crashed, not whether the guest is configured to take some action on its own. So there's no way to know precisely that a crashed (and not paused) guest is in need of assistance. > > But a state indicating "this guest crashed N minutes ago and hasn't rebooted itself" would be a useful approximation. And triggering an action N minutes after a guest crash if it hasn't rebooted itself in the meantime would make it easy to cap the downtime of crashed domains. Both could be implemented without changing either QEMU or panic device semantics. > > Does this seem useful to anyone else? On s390 we only have a "pseudo" panic device. Our guests load a disabled wait PSW to indicate a crash. This is wired up in QEMU as panic state and thus notifies libvirt that the guest is in crashed state. If the guest does kdump or similar it will never load a disabled wait PSW. So from my perspective this works exactly as I like to it to behave, but I find it interesting that others seem to trigger the panic device even if the guest handles that. -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
