Re: [libxl] shutdown a domain before it finishes starting

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>>>> Hi all:
>>>>     Suppose we have a guest domain which is pvops, for example, rhel6.4.
>>>>
>>>>     Steps to produce the problem:
>>>>     1 start the guest by virDomainCreate()
>>>>     2 the API returns before the guest domain fully available, which
>means,
>>> the disks, network interfaces and some import services are not available
>inside
>>> the guest.
>>>>     3 we call virDomainShutdown() to shutdown the guest.
>>>>
>>>>     Expected result:
>>>>       The guest got shutdown.
>>>>
>>>>     The result in fact:
>>>>       Because the guest is not available when we call
>virDomainShutdown(),
>>> it couldn't  respond to our 'shutdown' xenstore request, the guest turns on
>>> later, rather than shutting down.
>>>
>>> I don't think this is unique to a pvops guest kernel, or even a xen stack. I see
>>> the same behavior with qemu. 'virsh create dom.xml && virsh shutdown
>dom'
>>> results in the guest kernel missing the shutdown event and booting anyhow. I
>>> guess SeaBIOS could still be loading when the shutdown event is issued :-).
>The
>>> virDomainShutdownFlags documentation even states "that the guest OS may
>>> ignore
>>> the request". In my example, the guest OS isn't even alive yet.
>>>
>>>>     So , the question is:
>>>>        In libxl_driver( xen-hypervisor environment), how can we tell that
>the
>>> guest is available or not, and is it suitable to shutdown the guest at that
>>> moment?
>>>
>>> libxl has no API to determine if a guest OS has booted. In a qemu/kvm stack, I
>>> suppose qemu-ga is the preferred way to know when a guest OS has booted,
>or
>>> is
>>> far enough along to respond to shutdown events.
>>>
>>> One possible approach in xen, which is not supported by libvirt, would be to
>>> monitor the state of a device frontend in xenstore. E.g. when
>>> /local/domain/<domid>/device/vif/<vifid>/state reaches 4 (connected), you'll
>at
>>> least know the driver in the guest is up and running.
>> I've tried that way, but even the device state is not trustable, because inside
>the guest, it calls "add_disk" after the device state changes to 4, and  before it
>could respond the 'shutdown' xenstore request, which takes a while to
>complete.
>
>Yeah, I thought that was a longshot. Synchronization of the front and backend
>drivers doesn't necessarily mean the OS is in a position to respond to the
>shutdown event. Lacking a guest agent, another option would be to wait for the
>guests network stack to come alive, e.g. responds to pings or connection
>requests.
>

In practice, the host and guest may not be connectable because their network are separated.
So, does that mean, only a guest agent could solve this problem?

>Regards,
>Jim

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