This sounds like a rant to pat him/herself on the back. I'm glad you have done that many installs, I bet you made alot of money. But you have to realize most people do not want to rewrite a software installation program in order to get it working. People(sysadmins) want features that will get the job done, they don't want to have to sit there and figure out why the installer program is giving a python error or any other error. The power of linux is its ability to be fixed or features added by just writing code, but to the general population of sys admins, time is not on their side. Take Care, Brent Clements Linux Technology Specialist Rice University