Thanks so much, Chaoyi. That's the resource I was looking for! I'll get to work.
Nadim
From: Chaoyi Zha <cydrobolt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:53 AM
To: Nadim Kobeissi; Máirín Duffy; websites@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Replace Terrible Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website
Nadim,
You can find the necessary information on cloning our websites here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_fix_bugs_on_the_Fedora_Project_website
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This page describes how to fix a bug or submit other changes to the Fedora Project website. Anyone can perform these steps, and you do not need special ...
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We're not trying to stop you from submitting a patch of that's what you're interested in doing -- but rather, we're discussing the feasibility of changing the image and the contradictions people have had against modifying the page so that you're
informed when thinking about the page.
Chaoyi
On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 11:33 PM Nadim Kobeissi <nadim@nadim.computer> wrote:
Hi Máirín,
I agree with you. Let's focus on being constructive.
1) The laptops in both photos have dusty, dirty screens with little visibility, I think we can agree on that being an obvious problem that can be easily fixed. Where can I submit new photos that have laptops showing:
(A) Cleaner and more visible screens?
(B) More visible and interesting use-cases of the Fedora Workstation desktop?
2) I have asked now multiple times, here in my previous email and on the IRC channel, where I can find the repository for the website so that I can actually submit proposals for changes so that they can be concretely evaluated. Although the Fedora Project is
supposed to be open and welcoming to contributions, everyone I've asked this to (including you) has ignored my question. No one has given me a resource on where I can actually submit my tangible proposals for changes to the website so that they can be reviewed.
Do I have to copy the website on my own server and make the changes so that I can show them to the team for evaluation? Why is no one pointing me to the repository? How can I be more constructive when I'm not being helped with this crucial aspect?
Thank you for your response,
Nadim
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From: Máirín Duffy <duffy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:14 AM
To: Nadim Kobeissi;
websites@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Replace Terrible Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website
On 03/20/2016 11:06 AM, nadim@nadim.computer wrote:
> However, what comes after that is the problem: the Workstation has a bunch of sentences that either make very specific technical references or in general contribute little value to selling the project. These could be fixed by focusing on a more general introduction
to the desktop environment, daily-use features, and cutting-edge differences that separate Fedora from other desktop operating systems.
Some specifics would be helpful.
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> The most critical problem I have with the website are the photos: they're incredibly bad. The photos are of, literally, decade-old ThinkPads
The top photo is of a Thinkpad Carbon X1 that, at the time the photo was
taken, was a couple of months old. I believe at this point it's a little
over a year, which makes sense since the website was launched with F21
which was ~1 year ago.
> that are completely covered in dirt and dust, running Fedora.
There is one photo, taken of an actual real Fedora user, where there is
some light reflecting on the screen and there's some dust on the screen.
Sure, we could process that photo to remove that. We can do that. I
don't think it's the huge deal you're portraying it to be. Also, her
laptop is a Thinkpad and it cannot be older than 3 years, likely was 1-2
years old at the time of the photoshoot.
I appreciate constructive feedback, but spinning a laptop that is at
most 3 years old to be 10 years old is really not constructive. I used a
Thinkpad in 2006, it was a T41 and it looked quite a bit different and
was noticeably thicker with a much smaller screen and was less
sleek-looking.
> It's like a caricature of a Linux distro website. I find that to be very off-putting and unprofessional.
Again, let's be constructive. This is not.
> These photos should be replaced quickly and I can't believe they've been on the website every time I've gone to download a Fedora image over the past two years!
This site has been active for 1 year, not 2.
> They can at least be replaced with photos of clean ThinkPads, and better yet, laptops where what's actually on the screen is an interesting Fedora use-case that is clearly visible in the photo.
>
> If anyone can point me to the correct repository for the website, I will make pull requests with suggestions to make the website more reasonable, and I will also contribute content and try to make the page more useful and accessible to people interested in
Fedora. Right now, the website seems to be made by Fedora users and seems to target people who *already* use Fedora, which is very near-sighted and ultimately a bad strategy.
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