If I can just toss in my 2 cents: I joined up on this when I thought I was going to contribute as a build/release manager for Fedora. I wound up going the Ambassador route instead, but I think the tool is great and I'd love to see it mature. I still plan on doing release management down the road and from what I see right now, this would be a great default homepage for status on those activities. Also, it's quite useful in planning a Fedora Remix to search out packages, maintainers and versions despite the browser interface overhead :) I personally vote (unofficially, of course) to enhance and release it. Cheers, Christian Bryant | Los Angeles, CA http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:christianabryant http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:christianabryant http://www.linux.com/community/blogs/blogger/christianabryant/ http://identi.ca/christianabryant 4096R/418C1BBA 39B5 C0D0 D57F 5FC9 11C8 7A01 8B2F 0A9F 418C 1BBA ----- Message from smooge@xxxxxxxxx --------- Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:34:46 -0600 From: Stephen John Smoogen <smooge@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Fedora Community To: Fedora Infrastructure <infrastructure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: spot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, websites <websites@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, duffy@xxxxxxxxxx > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 15:53, Luke Macken <lmacken@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Excerpts from Stephen John Smoogen's message of Tue Jul 05 17:44:46 >> -0400 2011: >>> No not http://fedoracommunity.org but >>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/ It has been in beta for 2 >>> years now. What do we need to do to finish it (maybe make it >>> start.fedoraproject.org?) or put it aside for other things to do? >> >> This app was never really intended to ever be "finished". It was meant >> to be a platform for building widgets to visualize Fedora data. However, >> I do think it's definitely still 'beta' quality, and the original >> authors (J5, Mo, and I), have not had the cycles to continue to improve >> it. We accomplished our initial goals, and then got pulled into >> different directions (one of which was working on the core of the >> platform, Moksha). >> >> Personally, I still use fedoracommunity on a regular basis, and find it >> to be extremely useful in many ways. Right now we do not have any idea >> as to how many people are using it. I think we should do some log > > Did the following quick statistics using awk: > > Currently we are seeing 380->420 unique ip addresses per month who are > not bots or not referrals from other sites. Most go to /community/ but > ~100 of them made queries beyond standard page data (images, > javascript, and /community/). While it doesn't sound a lot.. for a > site that doesn't have a lot of advertising it is an audience. > >> analysis, and maybe a survey to see what people like/dislike/want. Also, >> Mo did a usability study at FUDCon many moons ago, and we have yet to >> really sit down and analyze the results. >> >> So, in order to remove the 'beta' from fedoracommunity, I would >> personally like the see the following happen: >> >> * Polish up the interface, and make it *much* snappier. >> Right now the interface feels very clunky, and >> the full page >> reloads when clicking on certain areas is >> killing us. There >> is still a lot of low-hanging fruit in terms of >> optimization. >> >> * Re-branding, marketing, and a better URL. >> "Fedora Community" has become an overloaded >> term, and has since been >> associated with the language-specific >> subcommunity portals. We also >> don't link to the app from anywhere, and the >> URL is not the >> easiest to remember. >> >> * Documentation. >> Right now there is no documentation that guides >> people through >> building a new app/widget using our >> infrastructure's APIs. >> Copying/pasting existing code has made >> contributing painful. >> >> With regard to the claims that the AGPL makes this app difficult to >> maintain -- I honestly cannot recall a single case where we had to >> hotfix it and jump through the AGPL hoops. If anything, this helped us >> figure out what it takes to develop, deploy, and maintain both >> TurboGears2 and AGPL applications. > > We did it twice right after it was deployed. We went one way in how we > were going to do this and had to undo it the next day when Tom got > clarification that pointing to tickets/patches was not acceptable. If > we could move to Apache or just GPL I would be quite happy. My memory > of it was that there was a bunch of stuff having to be done right > then, but it is a memory and probably not a good one. > > My main concern has been about having something that was having code > rot because other priorities had taken the programmers away. We have > had to do some soul searching on services we offer and if the code was > not going to get much development time was it something infrastructure > could keep up (eg like blogs, asterisk, etc) > >> Spot, J5 and I will be meeting next Thursday to draft a potential >> roadmap going forward. >> >> Personally, I envision the following improvements and additions (as I >> mentioned at the last FUDCon): >> >> * Mailing list interface (a decent amount of code >> already written) >> * Meeting app, to visualize our meetbot output (some >> code written) >> * SIG dashboards, with action items, SOPs, packages, >> people, meetings, etc >> * Package review app >> * Improved upstream integration & adoption >> * Nightly spin analysis >> * Source-level code/diff viewer for >> auditing/annotations/linking >> * Realtime message broker integration into our >> existing infrastructure >> * Realtime widgets to visualize these live data streams >> >> luke >> _______________________________________________ >> infrastructure mailing list >> infrastructure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure >> > > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > "The core skill of innovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance." > Randy Nelson, President of Pixar University. > "Let us be kind, one to another, for most of us are fighting a hard > battle." -- Ian MacLaren > -- > websites mailing list > websites@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites > ----- End message from smooge@xxxxxxxxx ----- -- websites mailing list websites@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
