22:04 < quaid> oi 22:04 < quaid> calling up the next meeting 22:04 < quaid> <meeting id="Websites"> 22:04 * ianweller picks up the phone . o O (next meeting? where are youuuuuu) 22:04 < ianweller> also, i'm here 22:04 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Websites team meeting :: begin 22:04 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk 22:04 * quaid is here, too 22:05 -!- ylynfatt [n=yannick@xxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 22:05 * ricky 22:06 -!- smooge [n=smooge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "-ENOCAFFEINE" 22:06 < ianweller> this is starting to look a lot like last week's websites meeting 22:06 * quaid looks at ... 22:06 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks 22:07 < quaid> yeah, I vote for the perpetual meeting 22:07 < ricky> Same 22:07 < quaid> from 2000 to 2300 UTC 22:07 < quaid> just takeover and go slooooow 22:07 < ricky> Hehe 22:07 < ylynfatt> quaid: I haven't done anything else yet on the fp.o/contact since my last message to the mailing list but the link to the preview is as follows: http://ylynfatt.fedorapeople.org/contact.html 22:08 < quaid> ricky: it is nice having a weekly nag session, uh, I mean, reminders to get on a task I may hve forgotten about. 22:08 < ylynfatt> I suppose that's my progress update. 22:08 < ricky> Looks goouLooks good 22:08 < ricky> Um, whoops :-) 22:09 < ianweller> um 22:09 < ianweller> for the one task taht i do own, i just created the ticket for it on fedora-infrastructure 22:09 < ianweller> like i was supposed to do last week. (oops) 22:09 < ricky> Any further comments on the contact page? 22:10 < ricky> If that's good and done, we can look at getting that updated after the meeting 22:10 -!- giarc [n=cwt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 22:10 < ricky> Hey, giarc 22:10 < giarc> hey ricky 22:10 < quaid> one comment on the contact page 22:11 * ianweller high fives giarc for no particular reason 22:11 < quaid> can we crop off the bottom of the Apache Test Page screenshot? 22:11 < ylynfatt> quaid: you mean all that whitespace? 22:11 < ricky> Yeah, we can definitely save that sapce 22:11 < ricky> **space 22:11 * giarc high five ianweller for being ianweller 22:11 < ianweller> \o/ 22:11 < quaid> ylynfatt: most of it, I guess 22:11 < giarc> s/five/fives 22:12 < ylynfatt> sure, umm...when I get home I'll try make the adjustment 22:12 < quaid> ylynfatt: I scrolled and stopped, thinking that was the end of the contact page 22:12 -!- jyulliano [n=jyullian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Saindo" 22:12 < ylynfatt> quaid: hehe okay 22:12 -!- jyulliano [n=jyullian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 22:12 < ricky> ylynfatt: Is that a plain HTML page, or was it generated from a genshi template? 22:12 < ylynfatt> ricky: that was just a plane HTML page 22:12 < ylynfatt> ricky: but I do have the genshi template on my home pc. 22:13 < quaid> ylynfatt: oh, also, the link to the server teste page on the wiki is now http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server_Test_Page, save a redirect :) 22:13 < ricky> Ah, cool - whenever you can get ahold of that, ping me and we can get it pushed 22:13 < ylynfatt> ricky: sure no prob. 22:13 < ylynfatt> quaid: thanks 22:13 < ricky> Are there any other contact groups that we can think of to add there? 22:14 * quaid plays secretary with the task list 22:14 < ylynfatt> ricky: maybe the Documentation group? 22:15 < ricky> Hmm, could adding the docs group confuse people looking for support? 22:16 < ricky> quaid: We can probably remove the docs.fp.o one :-) 22:17 < ricky> All right, no update on the infrastructure stuff from me yet. I'll hopefully be working more on improving the web building process soon 22:17 < quaid> how about ... 22:17 < quaid> user accounts? infrastructure issues? 22:17 < quaid> or do we filter that through webmaster@? 22:17 < ricky> Good call, those would go to admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 22:17 < quaid> k 22:17 < ricky> (accounts@xxxx goes to the same place as admin@) 22:19 < ricky> Perhaps press@xxxx as well. 22:19 < ylynfatt> so add something for user accounts/infrastructure? and press as well? 22:19 < quaid> ooh, press, yes 22:19 < ricky> Yup 22:19 < ylynfatt> oki doki 22:20 < ricky> Thanks for working on this! 22:20 < ricky> kanarip: ping (any update on spins.fp.o?) 22:20 < ylynfatt> ricky: no problem. It's the least I could do. 22:20 < quaid> ylynfatt: I have a few small grammatical bits on that page; I can write them up for the current version, you can merge what makes sense in to the document 22:21 < ylynfatt> quaid: sure, no prob. 22:21 * quaid notes more style than grammatical, but whatever; small stuff 22:21 < quaid> let's see now ... 22:22 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Websites team mtg :: working down the task list 22:22 < kanarip> ricky, no volunteers on the list so i guess i'm going to figure out how to edit images myself 22:22 < quaid> no jonrob around today that I see 22:22 < quaid> kanarip: stall on spins wireframe? 22:22 < kanarip> so far, yes 22:23 < ricky> kanarip: Perhaps it would be a good idea to start work on the backend first 22:23 -!- Bowser [n=Gaaruto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 22:23 < kanarip> i have no time to work on a backend but i see your point 22:24 < ricky> Yeah. It's a pretty big project 22:24 < quaid> is there any way 22:24 < quaid> we can break it down to easier-to-digest 22:25 < quaid> ... somethings ... 22:25 < quaid> not knowing who was supposed to program it in the first place ... 22:25 < kanarip> no-one knew who was supposed to program it i guess 22:26 < quaid> well, that may not be as much of a problem as we think, on the face of it 22:26 < quaid> if we can find a way to enable people to contribute in quick, meaningful ways 22:26 < ylynfatt> I'm a bit out of the loop but what's required for the backend of spins site? 22:27 * ricky isn't 100% sure about what the technical requirements are at the moment 22:27 * kanarip still has to merge a server-client-devel branch of revisor 22:28 < quaid> http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58599.html 22:28 < quaid> that is the sitemap 22:28 * ricky doesn't know where to start :-) 22:28 < quaid> but what does it do? 22:28 < ricky> I guess it takes a kickstart file (or provides a means to generate one) 22:28 < kanarip> it sketches utopia://spins.fedoraproject.org 22:29 < quaid> heh 22:29 < ricky> Then then builds a spin, allowing the author to attach metadata to it 22:29 < ricky> s/then/it 22:29 < quaid> ERR: protocol "utopia" unknown 22:29 < kanarip> quaid, i rest my case ;-) 22:29 * ricky isn't sure how practical the "building the spin" part would be for infrastructure. 22:30 < giarc> it's supposed to build the spin on the fly? 22:30 < quaid> build, host, social tagging and karma, my view, the works 22:30 < kanarip> yes, that too 22:31 < ricky> kanarip: How realistic do you think the spin-building is on a large scale? 22:31 -!- mbacovsk [n=mbacovsk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 22:31 * ricky has no idea how intensive these things are 22:32 < kanarip> builds knock down 100% CPU in ~4% of the build time of about .5-1 hour 22:32 < ricky> Yow 22:32 < kanarip> memory footprint shouldn't go over 500-700MB for a huge transaction 22:33 -!- jyulliano [n=jyullian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Connection timed out 22:33 < kanarip> ricky, it's just a huge yum thing and then a squashfs thing basically 22:33 < ricky> Ah. 22:33 < ricky> So perhaps we should talk to infrastructure a bit and make sure that the goals are realistic 22:34 < kanarip> well!!... 22:34 < kanarip> if anything, i'd just like /a/ build host 22:35 < kanarip> then i can do hub vs. builder stuff just by using localhost as well 22:35 < ricky> mmcgrath: Are you around to talk about spins.fp.o goals right now? 22:36 -!- DemonJester [n=DemonJes@fedora/DemonJester] has joined #fedora-meeting 22:36 < kanarip> just /a/ build host helps out on more then just this end as well 22:36 -!- DemonJester [n=DemonJes@fedora/DemonJester] has quit Client Quit 22:37 -!- bpepple|lt [n=bpepple|@adsl-69-214-168-154.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 22:37 < mmcgrath> ricky: I am, but only for a bit. whats up? 22:37 * mmcgrath has dinner guests coming over soon 22:37 < ricky> So right now, it looks like the goal for spins.fp.o is let people build their own spins - is this feasible for us to run? 22:38 -!- DemonJester [n=DemonJes@fedora/DemonJester] has joined #fedora-meeting 22:38 < ricky> kanarip knows more about the technical needs 22:38 < mmcgrath> well, spins isn't part of a buildsystem, its part of distribution. 22:38 < mmcgrath> There has been talks, a couple of times, about having a spins build system but I'm not aware of its status or anything 22:38 -!- fraggle_ [n=fraggle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "-ENOBRAIN" 22:39 -!- SmootherFrOgZ [n=laxathom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 22:39 < kanarip> do we really, really have to get everyone involved before there is even a show-case? 22:40 < quaid> perhaps interested people 22:40 < ricky> I just want to make sure that we don't create something that can't be run anywhere 22:40 < quaid> can request a publictest instance and give it a start? 22:40 < kanarip> quaid, potential contributors to this specific goal, yes 22:40 < quaid> ricky: it would help, then, to create it by actually running it _somewhere_ to start :) 22:40 < quaid> kanarip: right, specific goal 22:40 < kanarip> ricky, if nothing else, i'll host it 22:40 < ricky> I can try and get a publictest up if we have anybody interested in working on it 22:41 < ricky> kanarip: OK, I'm not afraid of that problem anymore, then :-) 22:41 < kanarip> i just do not have anything to show to anyone wrt. a build system for spins other then the work loupgaroublond has done on server-client-devel, that still has to be merged with master 22:42 < quaid> with this group of ppl here 22:42 < loupgaroublond> i see my name here... 22:42 < quaid> can we get a server up, building, with a basic web UI to take a KS and spit out an ISO? 22:42 < quaid> grey screen, upload text box, that's ti :) 22:42 < ricky> Sounds like a good goal to begin with 22:43 < quaid> it looks to be a central part of the workflow, anyway, and the part that needs more robustiness 22:43 * quaid trying for a Colbert-like neologism 22:44 < ricky> Heh 22:44 < kanarip> i'm not setting that goal for myself because if i do i'm also getting fired 22:44 < quaid> kanarip: back to the programming question ... 22:44 < loupgaroublond> IIRC we nearly had it doing that via client-server 22:45 < kanarip> loupgaroublond, yes, that has to be merged back to master 22:45 < loupgaroublond> ah, check 22:45 -!- fraggle_ [n=fraggle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 22:45 < kanarip> i can do that if needed, clean conflicts up a little, make it work for rawhide a little 22:46 < quaid> and who can build out the publictest box? 22:47 * ricky can get a publictest built, but may not be able to dedicate much time to actually writing the spins app 22:48 * quaid can only update the task list with whatever we decide here 22:49 < ricky> OK, so the main challenge is to find people interested in working on this kind of project 22:49 < ricky> How do we want to go about finding people? :-) 22:52 < quaid> one thing is doing as much as you can, talking about it 22:52 < quaid> to draw interest 22:52 < quaid> e.g. the wireframes, etc. 22:52 < quaid> in this case ... 22:53 < ricky> The question that comes to mind is: Who wants this? 22:55 < kanarip> rumors tell me red hat is interested 22:55 * quaid has no clue 22:56 < kanarip> loupgaroublond, i decided to push master => server-client-devel instead of pulling it into master 22:56 < quaid> ok, we're getting close to the hour mark 22:57 < quaid> any comments on the other tasks? 22:57 < quaid> CMS ... 22:57 < ricky> Any update on CMS? 22:57 < quaid> I am working on higher level project management stuff to enable everyone 22:57 < quaid> then I've got ... about 7 to 10 days at the end of this month that I'm hoping is enough to get through testing some CMSes 22:58 < quaid> do the manic, last minute thing :) 22:58 < ricky> Heh 22:58 * ricky knows that feeling well... with essays. 22:58 < quaid> oh, yeah 22:58 < quaid> "that's when I'm at my best!" 22:58 < quaid> get-fedora ... 22:59 < quaid> that has been a good discussion, I think mizmo has the lead in the UI argument 22:59 < ricky> I'll try try to dig up the latest revision and talk to mizmo about it/try to polish it a bit 22:59 < quaid> ricky: do you want to take on that task and roll all the various situtations up? 22:59 < quaid> heh, there ya'r 22:59 < ricky> Any help/javascript expertise would be appreciated :-) 23:00 * quaid wants to use a similar JS UI for Join stuff ... 23:00 < quaid> ok, anything more? 23:00 < quaid> we don't have to close, but it's the traditional hour :) 23:00 < ricky> Sounds good 23:00 < ricky> Thanks for coming, everybody! 23:01 < quaid> rock on 23:01 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule 23:01 < quaid> </meeting> 23:01 < giarc> ricky, whatever help you need with get-fedora, just ask/point me
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