On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 08:51 -0400, Craig Thomas wrote: > From what I can tell, every other fedora group > have a clear team lead, and that lead has a RH e-mail addy. I suspect > that fact brings more cohesion and direction to those groups. This is no longer true. FESCo, Fedora L10n, Bug Triage are three that come immediately to mind. Back when Fedora Extras was just a gleam in the eyes of a few folks, what you are saying was definitely true. @redhat.com had a very important gravity that started things going. The idea that is still a requirement saddens me. But I *totally* agree with the perception, in that it is often the @redhat.com person who can take $dayjob time to commit to organizing stuff. In Fedora, I've taken a bit of a pinch hitter role in that way, lending either @redhat.com or Fedora Board Member as some gravity to get a critical mass going. But these days, I know with 100% certainty that every time I do that, a kitten dies. But every time I sit back and enable and let someone ... such as yourself ... do it instead, ten kittens are born. That's a factual ratio. <snip> > Perhaps I have done nothing but reiterate your point that we suck, but > I guess my point is that yea, we do, but perhaps it's time for some > one of the few leaders we do have to drive us, to establish a meeting > time and point us in $the_direction so we can be less sucky. Let me give an example. Before the last FUDCon, Jon Stanley, who is leading the revitalized Bug Triage team (with the help of @redhat.com people, who we *are* a bit ubiquitous), said, "It's time we do this, I'll come down there on Friday and we'll kick off a bug triage SIG." (paraphrase) I offered to pick him up at the airport, there was a BarCamp session the next day, and away it went. Ten kittens were born. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41
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