On Thu, 2025-01-30 at 11:18 +0100, François Patte wrote:
> So I tried to install pipewire-pulseaudio but dnf answered that
> pipewire-pulseaudio conflicted with pulseaudio. Since I had nothing to
> lose I added --allowerasing and pipewire-pulseaudio was installed and...
> the problem was solved. Hurray!
Pulseaudio was a (slightly) older audio system, pipewire being its
replacement. And there's a pipewire-pulseaudio go-between that can
pretend it's pulseaudio for apps that won't work unless they believe
they're using pulseaudio.
So, you go the old way and at some stage it'll get abandoned, or you go
the new way and find something that they haven't got ready yet.
Your install with allowing erasing would appear to have removed
pulseaudio for the pipewire system, instead (since it complained about
it not being compatible with pulseaudio). Which would be what I'd have
expected you to have in the first place on Fedora 40.
On my Fedora 40 installation I have:
rpm -qa \*pipewire\*|sort
pipewire-1.0.9-1.fc40.x86_64
pipewire-alsa-1.0.9-1.fc40.x86_64
pipewire-gstreamer-1.0.9-1.fc40.x86_64
pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit-1.0.9-1.fc40.x86_64
pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit-libs-1.0.9-1.fc40.x86_64
pipewire-libs-1.0.9-1.fc40.x86_64
pipewire-pulseaudio-1.0.9-1.fc40.x86_64
pipewire-utils-1.0.9-1.fc40.x86_64
vlc-plugin-pipewire-3-2.fc40.x86_64
rpm -qa \*pulseaudio\*|sort
pipewire-pulseaudio-1.0.9-1.fc40.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-16.1-8.fc40.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-glib2-16.1-8.fc40.x86_64
pulseaudio-utils-16.1-8.fc40.x86_64
vlc-plugin-pulseaudio-3.0.21-15.fc40.x86_64
And if I do a
rpm -ql pipewire-pulseaudio
to see what files it contains, I can see that the pipewire-pulseaudio
service is called:
pipewire-pulse.service
Just to confuse you.
Then, if I do:
systemctl --user status pipewire-pulse pipewire wireplumber
I get:
● pipewire-pulse.service - PipeWire PulseAudio
Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pipewire-pulse.service; disabled; preset: disabled)
Drop-In: /usr/lib/systemd/user/service.d
└─10-timeout-abort.conf
Active: active (running) since Thu 2025-01-30 09:31:12 ACDT; 22h ago
TriggeredBy: ● pipewire-pulse.socket
Main PID: 2007 (pipewire-pulse)
Tasks: 3 (limit: 18552)
Memory: 2.5M (peak: 3.0M)
CPU: 26ms
CGroup: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/session.slice/pipewire-pulse.service
└─2007 /usr/bin/pipewire-pulse
Jan 30 09:31:12 fluffy systemd[1611]: Started pipewire-pulse.service - PipeWire PulseAudio.
● pipewire.service - PipeWire Multimedia Service
Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pipewire.service; disabled; preset: disabled)
Drop-In: /usr/lib/systemd/user/service.d
└─10-timeout-abort.conf
Active: active (running) since Thu 2025-01-30 09:31:12 ACDT; 22h ago
TriggeredBy: ● pipewire.socket
Main PID: 1987 (pipewire)
Tasks: 3 (limit: 18552)
Memory: 6.6M (peak: 7.1M)
CPU: 51ms
CGroup: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/session.slice/pipewire.service
└─1987 /usr/bin/pipewire
Jan 30 09:31:12 fluffy systemd[1611]: Started pipewire.service - PipeWire Multimedia Service.
● wireplumber.service - Multimedia Service Session Manager
Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/wireplumber.service; enabled; preset: enabled)
Drop-In: /usr/lib/systemd/user/service.d
└─10-timeout-abort.conf
Active: active (running) since Thu 2025-01-30 09:31:12 ACDT; 22h ago
Main PID: 2000 (wireplumber)
Tasks: 6 (limit: 18552)
Memory: 10.2M (peak: 10.6M)
CPU: 300ms
CGroup: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/session.slice/wireplumber.service
└─2000 /usr/bin/wireplumber
Jan 30 09:31:12 fluffy systemd[1611]: Started wireplumber.service - Multimedia Service Session Manager.
Jan 30 09:31:12 fluffy wireplumber[2000]: wp-internal-comp-loader: Loading profile 'main'
Jan 30 09:31:12 fluffy wireplumber[2000]: spa.bluez5: BlueZ system service is not available
Jan 30 09:31:12 fluffy wireplumber[2000]: wp-device: SPA handle 'api.libcamera.enum.manager' could not be loaded; is it installed?
Jan 30 09:31:12 fluffy wireplumber[2000]: s-monitors-libcamera: PipeWire's libcamera SPA plugin is missing or broken. Some camera types may not be supported.
Jan 30 09:34:26 fluffy wireplumber[2000]: m-dbus-connection: <WpDBusConnection:0x559b445b03e0> DBus connection closed: Underlying GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an async read
Jan 30 09:34:26 fluffy wireplumber[2000]: m-dbus-connection: <WpDBusConnection:0x559b445b03e0> Trying to reconnect after core sync
Jan 31 08:19:14 fluffy wireplumber[2000]: spa.bluez5: BlueZ system service is not available
There's some warnings logged there about unimportant things (I have no
bluetooth hardware on that PC, etc).
This system is using pipewire, with the support for things that expect
to use pulseaudio. And it works reasonably well, though I don't do a
great deal of audio work on it.
My take on the first two services being "disabled" but "active" is that
they aren't something that's running all the time since boot-up, but
are run on-demand.
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