On 30/11/24 20:05, Tim via users wrote:
On Sat, 2024-11-30 at 11:40 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:What I was looking for as a signature was something like I specify at the bottom of my mails, which seems to be missing from a lot of other people's mails.Ah! PGP... Few do that (that I see). For the most part, it's a waste of time. Unless you've collected a signature *directly* from me, there's little confidence that someone saying that they're me, even if signed, is me. There's a tiny bit of confidence when someone else has vouched for me, and countersigned. But how many of them really check? There's virtually no confidence in signatures from PGP servers, as far as I can see, unless they're countersigned by various people that I would know or trust. And I really don't know anyone on this list. I've never met any of them. And if you did, could you tell a real ID from a fake ID if they tried to prove they were who they said they were? I also found that PGP servers were a major source of spam. Any time you uploaded a key, somebody harvested it and spammed me, straight away. I could test this by creating extra keys and uploading them, they'd get harvested and spammed in minutes.Looking at your reply, what I see in your reply is completely different to what I see in Samuel's reply below, and in this reply the first line that shows the last replier to this thread was you, that line does not appear in the mail preview nor if I double click the mail to load it into a separate tab, it only shows when I actually reply to the mail.If you're talking about body text, everyone else has their style. Some have a stack of intro lines like: last person said:second to last person wrote:
The issue with this is what you have shown is what Thunderbird used to always show to identify who said what which I find extremely useful to understand response history and the context of replies.third to last person posted:Which gets messy real quick. I try to limit replies to quoting no more than two people if it makes the message more coherent than just one person's last comments. And try to allow newspaper style editing - you can slice off everything above and below the bits you're concerned with, in huge slabs, you don't have to hunt and peck through.
But recently I've seen two different forms of that from this list, so I don't know whether that was list changes, a daily version change in Thunderbird, or whether the respondent changed the format of the response histories by snipping specific portions.
I did a "view source" and after trawling through all the headers to get to what looks like your response there is no plain text and no html, it displays like encrypted data, there is nothing visible at all the matches your text.And again, I think you may be seeing something like your mail program hiding quoted text, even signatures (the textual boilerplates, not PGP signing). If I look on the mail archive, it's definitely doing that (which probably explains why a lot of people put zero effort into trimming their replies). If you click on the (...) on the webpage you can expand the hidden text, but that makes for laborious reading of messages. As a comparison, have a look through your menus for "view source" and see what a message looks like before Thunderbird converts it into its own HTML rendition of the message (regardless of whether it was HTML or plain text). Thunderbirds re-rendering of messages is yet another reason that I don't like it.
Yes, I understand that, I mask the from address all the time in mails sent out by programs I have written at work, so that there is a meaningful address for recipients to reply to rather than the sudo mail address of the scheduler the programs are running under.The mail header that Thunderbird shows has you in the CC which is potentially an indication the mail came from you, but that is no guarantee.That's already been explained that a few times. To be honest, you can't trust any "from" address as being real. Anyone can fake the headers, few things verify them, and there's still plenty of mail servers that don't verify that you are who you say you are before accepting a post. The SMTP servers that I use do require my mail program to log-in when posting, and my from address has to match, but there's more to it than just that.
regards,
Steve
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