On Mon, 2024-05-20 at 18:13 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > I had a stubborn laptop like you are describing. I bought it new. I > could not update the UEFI or select a different boot device until I > booted into Windows and updated Windows. My takeaway was... some OEMs > seem to do some tying of the UEFI and the OS. Or they protect the > Windows operating system if it is preinstalled. I never quite sorted > it out. I have two desktop PCs with the same motherboard and CPU, the only difference between them being RAM sticks and storage. On one, I managed (without any problems) to get it to self-update its firmware within the UEFI. On the other, it cannot connect to the server (or find it), and there *is* a fully working network for it to use. As far as I remember, they started off with the same version firmware. Explanation for this escape me, beyond that one may have a fault. Windows has never been a part of this system, they were built by me from scratch. If I really wanted to update the other's firmware I wouldn't need to use Windows. I could just download the required file, put it on a USB stick, boot into UEFI and have it use the local file. However, having seen the very minor changes the update had, I've never felt it worth bothering to do. Many systems offer those ways to update firmware. There's a certain amount of logic in having a motherboard be able to update itself, without using any particular OS. And in these days of connecting to a router via ethernet, as opposed to dial-up through a modem, the need to have an OS running to do this is far less. And now that makes me wonder how many fully-hardware-only computers there are these days? (Like C64, etc.) It's reasonably doable, as long as you don't need web-browsing, or have it in updateable firmware. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.118.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Apr 24 16:01:50 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
