On 16/05/2024 12:33, George N. White III wrote:
On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 6:46 AM Stephen Morris <samorris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:samorris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:I used dnf to system-upgrade to F40, which downloaded all the relevant packages, and then I rebooted through dnf.Did you do all the steps in <https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/upgrading-fedora-offline/ <https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/upgrading-fedora-offline/>>?The restart updated all the packages and automatically rebooted when it was finished. When the grub menu was displayed after the reboot it was obvious that the upgrade did not update the grub config as there was no entry to boot off the F40 installed kernel. I booted to the display manager which I think is still gdm, and the first thing I noticed there was the "plasma on xorg" selection had been removed but the "Gnome on xorg" and "Gnome Classic on xorg" were still there. I selected the "Plasma" entry and booted into Plasma. Having loaded Plasma I then went into the system entries menu and went through all the options again, and it was obvious from this that the display options I had configured with F39 had been wiped with F40. I configured the display settings again and set the new HDR option as I have a HDR monitor. After the configuration changes I rebuilt the grub menus using grub2-mkconfig to get a boot entry for the new kernel, and rebooted. With the reboot from the new kernel, and for that matter any of the older kernels, I got a message that the nvidia driver was not found and it was falling back to the nouveau driver, I don't know how as the nvidia driver was black listed in the grub menus.Which nvidia driver was blacklisted (nouveau or nvidia-???)? There have been problems with older Nvidia cards. Were you using nouveau on F39 or nvidia, and how did you install the nvidia driver (there are multiple sites with different installers). My old iMac uses 470xx from rpmfusion, which was initially in no-maintainer status and required a simple patch to run on current kernels. Last I check the driver was intesting. From the display manager I loaded Plasma as I did after the first upgrade boot, and Plasma displayed a black screen and never went any further, irrespective of how long I left it for, and the only way I could get out of that state was to use the physical reset button on the computer. On reboot, if I selected "Gnome" or "Gnome on Xorg", gnome would start up quite happily, but logging out and starting Plasma would still hang the computer. So rebooting again to the display manager login screen, I used ctrl+alt+F2 to switch to a terminal login process. Logging into the terminal the first thing I did was use mokutil to check the uefi status and it told me that uefi was disabled even though it was enabled in the bios. I checked whether the signing key was enrolled and it was, but the system wasn't using the nvidia driver even though it was installed, and a reinstall of kmod-nvidia and akmod-nvidia did nothing to alleviate the issue. Many users have had problems with the akmod-nvida install. For 470xx the module failed to compile. For newer cards, users sometimes end upwith unsigned drivers. This usually means they rebooted too quickly (duringthe window after the module was compiled but before it was signed.). So I uninstalled the kmod-nvidia module, and did a force re-enroll of the uefi signed key (potentially with a new key), and then rebooted to go through the mokutil enrolment required at boot. This did not resolve the Plasm start issue, so I loaded Gnome. Once in Gnome I started Firefox Nightly to do some net searches to see if I could find a solution, and the one thing that did happen at this point was the boot did not display the "falling back to nouveau" message, but the start of firefox displayed a message that a gpu couldn't be found on pci. Looking for a resolution to this I found an entry about, as part of installed nvidia drivers, to ensure the gpu firmware was also installed. So I did a dnf install nvidia-gpu-firmware which was then installed as it hadn't been already. If you had installed nvidia-??? from a 3rd party repo the Fedora firmware package might not be required, but it is needed for nouveau. After installing the firmware I rebooted and started Plasma, which successfully started without issues, and when I checked the video driver it was finally using the nvidia driver. This was a lot of work to resolve, and is the worst experience I've had with any fedora system upgrade. Blame Nvidia for forcing Fedora into convoluted workarounds instead of helping make older hardware work on current kernels. Rpmfusion is having difficulties finding volunteers to package software. Fewer volunteers have access to older hardware and those that do are getting old themselves and may be dealing with the problems facing older people in our society, so rpmfusion falls down in their priority list. -- George N. White III
I have two F40 systems using nvidia GT_710 cards, both 'dnf upgraded' a few minutes ago. It's beginning to look good, but it has been a painful experience.
I'm using the 470.239.06 driver from rpmfusion and the plasma-workspace-x11 package from fedora-upgrades, with the "Desktop Session: Plasma (X11)" selected on login.
With the same driver and the Wayland desktop I have found all cpus maxed out, with keyboard and mouse almost unusable. On one system this still makes login awkward.
I believe that this support of x11 has been championed by two individuals, and the Fedora KDE SIG disowns that effort. Clearly things are going to be fragile for some time.
Before today's upgrade one system frequently reported graphics resets. That seems to have been fixed.
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