On Thu, 2023-07-20 at 22:15 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > My main point was about during installation. There used to be a > > very > > obvious checkbox for hardware clock is set to UTC. I don't recall > > that > > being the case for a long time. > > I think Tim is correct. There used to be a checkbox about the > hardware > clock. (Maybe it is still there?) I don't remember that, but it could be. > But I don't think the user is to blame. Users should not have to do > extra the work. It is 2023, not 1986. Computers work for users, not > the other way around. Systemd should have determined how the realtime > clock is configured, and then acted accordingly. It's not our job to > tell systemd information it can readily gather itself. The RTC is just a timer. It doesn't have any notion of timezone (and even if it did, a BIOS won't have all the special-case code that the locale libraries need). Also, IIRC dual-boot systems that are sometimes running Windows can easily be confused about this. So a visible user setting would be a good idea, or failing that just assume that the RTC is in UTC. poc _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue