On Sun, 2023-04-23 at 15:10 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I'm 99% sure this is a problem with my Apache installation. On my internal test server, I use virtual hosts for the various websites I maintain (I have local test versions that are exported to the external servers that host the public versions). And I leave the default website (the one that you'll get if you browse to the numerical IP address) alone, so you just see the default Apache test page. If I look at the HTTP headers (e.g. wget -S http://example.com/) I see very little difference between one internal or external site versus another (basically just the size, etag hash, date, of the particular file being served). There's nothing that obviously says which particular service is being accessed (Certbots thing about virtual host config demands seems even more oddball). Apache ServerName variables seem to be only used when Apache generates some HTML content that specifically includes them. If you browse to http://bree.org.uk/ and https://bree.org.uk/ do you get the same results? If I try web browsing your site, I get the same "books" page to either address. There is a HTTPS connection, but it complains it's not secure. There's no obvious indication about who issued the certificate. Likewise, do you get the same results with browsing for a specific serveable file? Likewise internally and externally? (Viewing one of your pages through a HTML validator is one way to see what the outside world sees, if you don't have some external proxy you can use, or a VPN.) I'm assuming that part of the problem is *external* access to port 80, does your ISP put something in the way of the port? Do you have some *other* certificate already there that's confusing things? My own (externally hosted) website has a problem that continually irritates me: They cache the content and serve from the cache to the outside world. Sometimes it takes an absolute age for changed content to flow through. No amount of reloading, or using a different browser, or deleting and replacing files, shows the new content. Even though I had set HTTP header parameters for short caching lifespans. I detest non-Apache servers that falsely claim to be Apache drop-in replacements (e.g. LiteSpeed). About all they care about is supporting template websites (e.g. WordPress). -- NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list. The following system info data is generated fresh for each post: uname -rsvp Linux 6.2.8-100.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed Mar 22 19:14:19 UTC 2023 x86_64 _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue