Jonathan Billings writes: > There are several features in systemd that directly benefit the > desktop. Sure, but the ones you mention don't benefit me and people like me. I can't imagine why I would even notice them on my personal desktop. The odd man out (and thank you for mentioning enterprise desktop!) is > 2.) systemd-logind helps contain desktop processes in cgroups, > meaning that if you want it to, it will terminate all user > processes *for that session* when it logs out. This is a huge > thing for the enterprise desktop environments. which doesn't benefit *me* because I'm an academic and "own" my own system, but I sympathize with enterprise system management enough. Management of such systems feels a lot like server management in some ways; I wouldn't include them in "[personal] workstation" for this purpose. My point in mentioning "workstation" was simply to give a loose description of a context where systemd simply doesn't buy much, and to point out that there are *other* contexts where what systemd offers matters. I will note that managed desktops seems like a very important application in academia, too -- student computer literacy labs in college. High school too, in fact any compulsory education context. So the applications where the transition to systemd offers few if any benefits seem pretty small (although a lot of Fedora users!) and increasingly circumscribed going forward. Steve _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure