On Sun, 2022-02-13 at 22:03 -0500, John Mellor wrote: > I used fetchmail for a lot of years. Then one of my upstream email > servers switched to a modified and mostly-undocumented Yahoo > connection mechanism, and I could not find the correct connection > strings and ports to make it work, and was forced into either > switching email clients or using a web browser as a substandard email > client. Various web notes for connecting are now improved enough > that I think I could move back to fetchmail if circumstances required > it. Every now and then someone "improves" their software so that you're forced to go through their crappy advertising-infested interface. I only keep using a Yahoo mail, because of spam. At that stage, they were the cause of most of it, so I figured their servers could receive most of it. Serve the buggers right. I went through a stage where they changed something and it took quite a bit of experimenting with what ports to use, which security protocol to use, how to login (username or full address), before I could receive send mail again. Around the same time it became important to send through the services own SMTP servers so they verified your mail for you as being real, so other servers would accept it. My hosted service recently (again) decided to tell us to stop logging into their mail services using its real address, and use our own domain names that it virtually serves. The trouble is, the security certificates are all in its name, so fetchmail complains of a security fault. I can override and download anyway, from *apparently* the wrong server, or not get my mail. That's *not* security, that's insecurity. I've tried Thunderbird over the years, but (like a web browser) it's overly convoluted for what it actually needs to do. Its mail editor has always been painful, I don't think much of its viewer either. Years ago, MANY years ago, I tried Opera on Windows 98SE. They decided to use a database for mail storage. That may have worked well for ordinary users who might have 100 emails (if they keep them), but it couldn't cope with the workload of people who participate in mailing lists (like this Fedora one). Since I use fetchmail to a local Dovecot server, mail is stored how I like it (maildir), and it doesn't matter what silliness the mail client uses, the mail client only caches things as it reads it, rather than store it. In my prior installation Dovecot used mailbox (one huge file per mail folder), that was diabolically slow once one got moderately big. When I replaced the server I put the effort into figuring out how to make it use maildir, that was a massive speed improvement. Things work in a flash, now. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.53.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Jan 14 13:59:45 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
