On Tue, 2021-11-23 at 22:06 +0000, John Pilkington wrote: > I'm used to reading messages in order of time of arrival. Threaded > display in Thunderbird, or the presentation of the archive by > Hyperkitty, doesn't do this; the current thread about NVIDIA drivers > is utterly disjointed in both, with recent posts buried at random > partway up the display. Is there a fix? For message *threading* to work, that is a replies are tied to the message it replied to, in order of the message progression, regardless of date (which some people have wrong, or delay posting so arrival date sorting will end up being wrong), a few things have to occur: People have to use mail clients that work properly. When replying they add the proper in-reply-to and reference headers. Various mail clients don't do this, especially some web-mail interfaces. With those headers munged up, threading is impossible. The answer to that is people *need* to stop using mail clients and systems that don't work properly, *ESPECIALLY* on mailing lists. And people have to use their mail clients properly. They have to hit reply on the message they're replying to, not another message, nor incorrectly use forward instead of reply. So when replying to John Doe's comment, reply to *his* email, and *not* a message three generations later that quoted him, nor a completely unrelated message to your response. If you've read through a thread then decide to reply, reply to the right message, not just the last one you read. The answer to that is people need to do things properly, *ESPECIALLY* on mailing lists. Other people manage to do this, why can't you? (That's a generic "everyone else" you question, I'm not referencing you John.) With the failure of proper use and participation you're left with *trying* to aggregate threads together with the same subject lines and sort them by date. This fails when some mail clients and servers mangle subject lines, when some people change them when they shouldn't, or don't change them when they should, and when their computer's date and timezone are wrong, when they reply in the wrong place, or they draft a post and don't send it for ages. Unthreading reading, where you just plod through messages as they lob in is not guaranteed to put them in correct sequence, either. Messages may not be sent in sequence, and some may get delayed in transit. And, as previously said, the way people send delayed replies, or respond in a different order than they read through a thread, also changes the sequence of transmission and reception. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.45.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Oct 13 17:20:51 UTC 2021 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
