On Tue, 2021-06-22 at 22:34 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:58 AM Joe Zeff <joe@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On 6/22/21 10:29 AM, George N. White III wrote: > > > The Gnome software manager has the added advantages > > > that it a) forces a reboot and b) offers flatpak versions of > > > major > > > applications. > > > > The forced reboot is only an advantage if some of the upgrades > > require a > > reboot to get them started. Most upgrades only need to have their > > package restarted, and that only if it was running when the upgrade > > occurs. This is what needs-restarting is for, but if you don't > > know how > > to use dnf (and don't want to) it's not going to do you any good. > > And, > > for that matter, what do people like that do if they're not set up > > with > > Gnome? My personal opinion is that people like that should be > > using > > Ubuntu, as that distro is specifically designed for Windows > > refugees. > > (I've set two people up with Linux because they wanted to get away > > from > > Windows, and both of them are happily running Xubuntu.) > > > > Sorry for ranting, but forced reboots are a pet peeve of mine and > > you > > just petted it. > > https://lwn.net/Articles/702629/ > > Kindof an old argument at this point. One of the things I'm curious > about right now: > https://pagure.io/libdnf-plugin-txnupd > https://kubic.opensuse.org/documentation/transactional-update-guide/transactional-update.html > > It's a more sophisticated variation on on I came up with by (rw) > snapshotting the 'root' subvolume, mounting it, and using chroot to > do > a full system update (and upgrade). It's an out of band or side car > update. No reboot to a special environment. If it goes wrong, just > delete it. If there's a crash or power fail, you still boot the > untouched current root. Only once it completes, and optionally passes > some tests, would the root be switched to the updated snapshot, and > reboot. And the user can choose when that happens. Interesting. That sounds superficially similar to Android's A/B system update method. Is there work being done on getting this into Fedora? poc _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
