Switched firewalld to iptables and that solved the problem for now.
according to what I found here:
https://lists.fedorahosted.org/archives/list/firewalld-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/thread/VP4Q3HIV6PTKVTSVQ7P7H7HDW7I2YQ6W/
https://firewalld.org/2020/09/policy-objects-introduction
I have to do something with policy objects if I want to use nftables. I'm going to investigate that route.
Thanks to all who gave me suggestions in this thread
Jouk
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