Tim: >> It creates absolutely dire HTML that needs to be fixed up, >> afterward. Best avoided. Ed Greshko: > OK, good to know. Their "claims" are exaggerated. :-) > > Sounds as if you have some experience in that area? If so, what, if > anything would you suggest. > > Or is it still the case that hardcore html coders do it sans > "assistance"? In my case, yes. I use gvim. I have some macros to make things a bit easier (such as pressing F8 to close a tag on an element, for me). And a few special character shortcuts. But as to what code goes where, that's entirely up to me. While you can get away with the mess created by a basic HTML coder like LibreOffice for a webpage (ignoring its crappiness, or post-process it), you really want something better for working on a web *site*. With a site you could do with something that handles the cross-linking between pages for you, that allows common style sheets to be applied (and be easily customisable) for all pages in one go, rather than splattering individual styling choices throughout each document. I found that to do it properly, you needed to understand so much about forcing your software into compliance, that it was far easier to just do it all by hand, properly, in the first place. These days, it's quite common for people to use webmastering packages (WordPress, etc) that are integrated with their webserver. However, I don't. They come with a *lot* of security failure issues, and you're locked into their templates. Which are choice limiting, and involves a lot of form-filling to create content with any structured meaning. So that's endless browsing for a template you can live with, or just making do. And, then, lots of having to type something, then metadata it into usefulness, all over the page, is far worse (for me) than to just hand code it. The security issues being another nail in the coffin. It requires eternal vigilance to keep on top of continual updates (remembering their websites are a big database using a lot of coding features). You need to understand the issues to be able to handle them. Blind faith doesn't do the job. My server logs show continual (failed) hacking attempts. They fail because they're trying to find exploitable options in website managing software that I don't have installed on my webserver. All I have to contend with is stuff-ups by my host fiddling with their own software (doing backups and restores without telling us, and screwing up file permissions on every file on the site, sending DNS record serial numbers backwards; swapping Apache for LightSpeed, which doesn't replace all the features that Apache has, etc). I'm sure they don't adequately keep things like WordPress, et al, site daily up-to-date, either. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1062.12.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Feb 4 23:02:59 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
