Tom Horsley writes: > Some of the messages show the international characters, In this thread, those are Ed's. > and some do not. Tim's. > It would be interesting to examine the detailed headers of the > message where the characters disappeared, I looked in my local folder, and there's nothing interesting the headers. Not surprising; the mail header is not very expressive. Archiving happens *after* message transformations, so I'm seeing the same headers you would in HyperKitty. We'd probably need to see the pre-Mailman header to identify any problems with Mailman via the header, but Mailman has never kept those. Perhaps if Tim sent a mail both to the list and to himself, comparing those headers might tell us something, but his messages are simple text/plain; charset=UTF-8, so I doubt it. I'm prety sure it has something to do with the Unicode encoding itself. Ed sent his message in Unicode with NFC normalization (the é is pre-composed) and UTF-8. Tim's message contains two ?, indicating a pair of unknown characters. One possibility is that Tim's MUA (Evolution) converts that to NFD normalization and something in between chokes on that, and produces the doubled ?? instead of a single é. Renormalization is perfectly conformant to both Unicode and mail standards, but lots of software has issues with NFD. Mailman should not, since it doesn't need to interpret anything other than ASCII text, and passes anything else along (or deletes/quarantines whole MIME parts), and I've not heard of such problems (but Mailman 3 is a completely new code base, so it's possible a new issues has been introduced). It's also possible that Tim's MUA double-UTF-8-encodes the é, which results in an illegal code point sequence which might also be represented as ??. Of course double-encoding is a bug, and if Mailman receives such email, it's quite likely that it would replace the broken text with ??. This seems highly unlikely, as Tim would be seeing issues all over the place, including in mail directly to himself, which he has tried without problem. So most likely something between Tim's MUA and Mailman (the list manager, not HyperKitty) is mishandling the text, in one of the ways described above. I can't exclude either endpoint, but in both cases somebody should be seeing a lot of similar mojibake. Tim reports some, but not in direct to self, and I've never seen Mailman cause anything like this. More objectively, the fact that the ??s are in HyperKitty rather than some 8-bit mojibake strongly suggests that even if Mailman is directly responsible for the ??s, it was replacing existing mojibake with ??. > but that seems to be impossible with hyperkitty. I believe there's work being done on more detailed archiving at GNU Mailman that might help diagnosing this kind of issue (not done yet though). I don't know if lists.fedoraproject is tracking us, though. -- Associate Professor Division of Policy and Planning Science http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/ Faculty of Systems and Information Email: turnbull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx University of Tsukuba Tel: 029-853-5175 Tennodai 1-1-1, Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
