Re: update to F30 seems to have failed

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On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 9:48 PM Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Thu, 2019-05-02 at 18:40 +0200, Tom H wrote:
>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 1:55 PM Patrick O'Callaghan
>> <pocallaghan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2019-05-02 at 12:35 +0200, Tom H wrote:
>>>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 11:46 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
>>>> <pocallaghan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


>>>>> I pointed out that a post relating to unreleased software should
>>>>> go on the Test list. That is the official policy of this list.
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK, it's from time that this email [1] is sent that the
>>>> "users" list is ok, not from the time that this email [2] is sent
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> [1] "is go", April 26:
>>>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/thread/GLN2FU2O5K6WVX4Y2ST3VOALV6ML35U2/
>>>>
>>>> [2] "released", April 30:
>>>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/thread/AXZGT6H6XPS26W2MTBJNCZGQA5SK3NOZ/
>>>
>>> That's also a reasonable interpretation. I'll try to bear it in
>>> mind next time
>>
>> It's not my interpretation. There was a thread similar to this one
>> a few years ago where someone said with authority (it seemed to
>> me!) that this was the policy.
>
> Possibly, though I don't recall it. Maybe it should be written down
> somewhere. Maybe it *is* written down somewhere ...

If it's correct, it should be written down in the list guidelines.


>>> (and believe me, there will inevitably be a next time ...)
>>
>> We should unify the two lists so as not to have these delirious
>> threads on an almost twice-yearly basis.
>
> I used to read the Test list as well as this one but stopped a
> couple of years ago when I realised I wasn't getting much out of
> discussions of Rawhide issues and decided to stick to the stable
> releases, so unifying the lists would be a retrograde step in my
> view.

There could be a split whereby user-support for the test release is
here and the machine-generated emails and QA organisational threads
remain on the test list. If we could accept that some people ask for
help about a test release here without pointing them to the etst list,
I wouldn't care about a change similar ot the one that I've just
enunciated.

My comment to unify the lists was more of a throwaway comment out of
frustration than a serious proposal.
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