On 11/7/18 11:53 AM, David A. De Graaf wrote: > When a new Fedora is released, I immediately fetch the Live Xfce > Spin .iso. As a Gnome hater, I want to avoid that entrapment. > I've always found Xfce perfectly suited for me. > > This crucial piece of the release is missing at all the mirror sites > I've visited and, indeed, the file that lists checksums for all the > Spins omits mention of the Xfce-Live version. I've been hoping and > expecting this omission to be corrected, but it's been over a week. > > I did find one place: > https://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/download/index.html > that offers to "Download Fedora 29 Xfce Desktop", and I have done so. > However, there's no checksum that I've been able to discover. It's in the same directory as the image(s) (as noted downthread now). > This webpage has a frightening all-black notice: > Although this spin failed to compose for the final release, this > test compose contains fixes over the final content to allow for a > successful compose and should meet most users' needs. You can verify > the test compose image with a dedicated CHECKSUM file for 64-bit and > 32-bit images. > > I would be grateful for someone to translate this into plain English. The way Fedora does composes for releases is that everything is composed at the same time from a common set of inputs. This means all the deliverables use the same packages, the same groups, etc. Some deliverables are "blocking", which means that Fedora QA folks test those against release critera. If there's a release critera breaking bug in a blocking deliverable, the release doesn't happen, and instead everyone waits for a fix, the fix is added and then a new compose if fired off and the cycle repeats. If there's non release blocking bug fixes they can petition to be added into the next compose as well via a Freeze break process, but if there's no blocking bugs the release happens and those things that still had non release blocking bugs are just out of luck. What happened with F29 is that the release candidate compose did not have several non release blocking items (Xfce, LXQT, Astronomy spin, etc). In the case of Xfce it was a package that had broken dependencies and needed to be rebuilt. There were however no blocking bugs in blocking deliverables, so that compose was shipped as the release. In order to avoid not shipping those things at all, release engineering worked out the fixes for them, and recreated them from the release candidate compose + whatever fix they needed. So, the Xfce image there has a newer ibus package than all the rest of the release does. It should work fine, it just wasn't produced in the same way as normal with the rest of the compose. > I think it means that there's something wrong with this .iso image, > but I can use it, maybe. Yes, you should be able to use it just fine. > So, what's the story? When can we expect the official F29 Live Xfce .iso > image to become available? I do hope this is not an ominous portent of > things to come, a la KDE. If I had the power, the Live Xfce Spin would > be a release blocker, but I don't. There will never be a official F29 release Xfce. The ship has sailed. You can use the unofficial respun one, or make your own, or even install f28 and upgrade. > > I realize there's a powerful faction at Redhat that insists that Gnome > is the One True Way. They're wrong. > I think people should use whatever they like best. I can get my work done in Xfce or Gnome just fine. kevin
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