(junk mail filtering) I have two filters. Both are based on the "From" e-mail address only. In both cases, when a message matches, the message is first marked as read, and then deleted. Messages/digests from Fedora lists will not match the two filters. (other filtering) There is no other filtering. (pristine install) I bought the hardware new 5 years agi. It's a DIY system. I bought and installed windows-7 on it myself. With help from the Fedora community, I then installed the then-current Fedora release on it. (It's a dual-boot system.) Thunderbird and Evolution came with Fedora. Each week, I patch and scan the system. The patching was then done with "yum". More recently, it's done with "dnf upgrade --refresh". Once every roughly 6 months, I upgrade to the next release of Fedora; here too, using the "dnf" command. Any Thunderbird updates are done as a part of the weekly "dnf upgrade --refresh" or the semi-annual upgrades. My Fedora is now at 26; my Thunderbird is at 52.5.2. The only add-ons I have on Thunderbird are Shockwave Flash, the default theme, and the Lightning extension, all by default (not added by me). (I hope I understood correctly what you asked.) (looked at downloaded message) Yes. I did a "view source" on a Fedora Users list message that appeared to have an empty body. I saved it. I then viewed it as per Samuel's instructions. The message looked fine. Also as instructed by Samuel, I captured logs of a message download that then appeared to have an empty body, and posted the logs in Fedora pastebin. They're gone by now. I can re-post if you'd like. (turning off automatic Evolution) I'm using Gnome. In the "Settings" GUI, I saw no way of controlling automatic starting of apps. I have not found any command line equivalent of this Gnome GUI. In the Plasma settings GUI, in the "Personalization" group, I tried the Applications icon. No Evolution. I signed out, and logged back in to Mate, and followed your instructions to turn Evolution off. I rebooted the system and signed in to Gnome. Six Evolution processes were running. I checked “.bash_profile”, “.bashrc”. and “/etc/bashrc”. My files only start “xeyes”. I did not see “/etc/bashrc” starting Evolution. There must be some other start-up or login scripts, but I don't know about them. What are they, and where are they? Samuel: I hope to get to your “socat” logging suggestions Monday. I've been swamped for the past 2 days, and will be swamped tomorrow. thanks, Bill. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx