hmmmm.... I did a "View source" on the most recent empty-looking message. Everything is there. The whole thing is 742 lines long. You want the top how many lines? Or how would I recognize the end of the header? What displays in the header area (below the list of messages, above where the message body displays) of Thunderbird is: >From users-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject users Digest, Vol 169, Issue 74 To users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Against the right margin of the Subject line is "05:45 AM" thanks, Bill. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx