On Tue, 2018-03-06 at 08:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > do you consider the footer > > users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > equally "unnecessary as bad weather"? An unsubscribe address, if a robot responds it in a comprehensible manner, can be a useful thing. The mailing list address is virtually pointless. That address is in the headers that all mail clients show by default (to, from, subject, date), it's the one you emailed to, it's the address the mail came from, it's not some obscure thing buried within 100 lines of hidden headers. If you can't send a post to the list without use of that address printed in the email, you don't deserve to own a computer. But I've yet to see a mail client that will parse the headers and give a useful summary of mailing list details that it finds in there. All mail clients that I've seen give you the option to hide all the headers, or show ALL the headers. That can include masses of headers. The message I'm replying to, now, had 127 lines. I had to scroll half way down to find these special list headers. I really do not know what's so hard about setting the list to put just *one* sane thing in the footer: A web address for a landing page specific to this mailing list. Let that page have a description of the list purpose, links to participation guidelines, links to FAQs, links to archives, links to managing your subscription, etc. Why is that so hard to do? Why is that so hard to understand? -- [tim@localhost ~] -rsvp Linux 4.13.16-100.fc25.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Nov 27 19:52:46 UTC 2017 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx