Sound-setup with alsa and pulseaudio [was: Re: pulseaudio MUST DIE!]

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Doug, Philip, and Everyone

I started a new thread with the quotes below to make
sure to not hijack the thread where they were taken from ...

Short version:
The whole thing isn't that important - if in doubt, ignore it ... :)
The main reason I wrote this email is plain and simple
curiosity about whether it can be done, and how: namely to feed sound
on a Linux machine to two audio systems at the same time: to 
internal speakers on the computer and to external ones like, e.g.,
those in a TV, via HDMI. And all this on Fedora 26 system  

On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 21:49:17 -0500
Doug <dmcgarrett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[ ... ]

> Perhaps I should elaborate: On my system, I have a MB with a sound
> output. I also have an NVidia video card that also contains a sound
> decoder with an HDMI output jack. With this combination, AND
> PulseAudio, I can get simultaneous sound (near the computer with
> the MOBO sound output) and video on both the local monitor and the
> TV from the NVidio card, AND sound on the TV from the NVidia card
> also, via the hdmi connection. It may take some serious fiddling
> around with the possibilities in PA, but it CAN be done.

To get sound simultaneously from your internal computer speakers and TV
(connected via HDMI): which tool(s) did you use? pavucontrol? paman?
paprefs?

Settings in ~/.asoundrc ?

Looks like I have two sound systems on my machine - if true it might be
possible to run them concurrently:
_______________________________
lspci -nnk |grep -A 7 -i vga
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0416] (rev 06)
	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:05aa]
	Kernel driver in use: i915
	Kernel modules: i915
00:03.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller [8086:0c0c] (rev 06)
	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:05aa]
	Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
	Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
--
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Neptune XT [Radeon HD 8970M] [1002:6801]
	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:05aa]
	Kernel driver in use: radeon
	Kernel modules: radeon
01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7700/7800 Series] [1002:aab0]
	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:05aa]
	Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
	Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
_________________________

Specs regarding the lspci result from above:
Please note that on this machine there's one mini display port and one HDMI port:

AMD specs for the Radeon card say the DisplayPort 1.2 (mini
display port is broken on current Fedora¹ since quite some time) is
"Multi-Stream", while the specs on HDMI (works here) say nothing about
"Multi-Stream"
http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/oem/8900#

That's what Intel says about E3-1200 v4 
on
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/xeon/xeon-e3-1200v4-vol-1-datasheet.html?wapkw=e3-1200+v4
--------------------------------
"The processor also integrates dedicated a Mini HD audio controller to drive audio on 
integrated digital display interfaces, such as HDMI* and DisplayPort*. The HD audio 
controller on the PCH would continue to support down CODECs, and so on. The 
processor Mini HD audio controller supports two High-Definition Audio streams 
simultaneously on any of the three digital ports." 
------------------------------
The last sentence:
"The processor Mini HD audio controller supports two High-Definition
Audio streams simultaneously on any of the three digital ports."

Philip:
After I wrote, that I cannot use both speaker systems (internals
speakers from the computer and external ones from e.g. TV) at
the same time you mentioned ~/.asoundrc:

"That should be fixable with a properly configured .asoundrc file? - 
might need an ALSA guru to do it though . ."

Might be difficult to find ALSA gurus ... :) - but I played
with .asoundrc years ago on a Macintosh powerp machine, with Debian on
it - with surprising results (and I'm far from being an audio
guru):
https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2009/08/msg00049.html

So thanks for pointing to .asoundrc: it hinted to me that ALSA is
still there - didn't realize that - I simply thought it was gone with
pulseaudio. And yes: I had not much of an idea of what PA actually is
until yesterday - I just knew that audio worked here ... 

Sound setup tho' *might* become more complicated now with both
pulseaudio plus alsa being involved - not sure about it yet ..

Thanks again ..
Wolfgang

¹ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1470845
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