Allegedly, on or about 01 July 2016, Joel Rees sent: > (The blame lies elsewhere. Yes. While I can't answer to the causes for other people's mail turning up misidentified as spam, I can say that when I mail this list using a Yahoo address, it's sent through the Yahoo SMTP servers, and I have logged into them to send it (it won't let you send, if you don't). There is nothing more that *I* can do to send that mail in a better way to avoid it being misidentified as spam. > I wish I had the network and social cred to get a real movement > started, away from the current faceless CA system and towards a > different identity assurance system that depends on actual, existing > day-to-day trust relationships.) Well, you're participating on a list for Fedora, and many services are managed by those people. If it's the Fedora list that's misidentifying spam on the way through, its software needs looking at. But I seem to recall the conversation pointing the finger at gmail not properly understanding mailing lists and the to/from addressing being different from personal mail. Over the years, there's been a lot of things said against Google's mail service when using it with list mail, and it appears you've be snagged by the latest WTF! You do have the option to vote with your feet and use a different mail service provider. Leaving gmail, and hotmail, and their ilk, to those who don't understand the difference between webmail and email. I don't think we'll ever get truly certified email (the sender is who they say, spam is forbidden and accurately killed, etc.). Many people would fail the intelligence test to actually make use of it (they wouldn't manage to set it up, wouldn't comprehend status notices about the mail being good/no-good - clearly shown by the mammoth number of people who get conned by mail, never picking up on the fact that the addresses are wrong and that the grammar and spelling is worse than a grade 3 dropout). And mail client software can be diabolic at supporting security features. Though, it could be an interesting experiment done with Fedora by the Fedora users. i.e. Set up a secured mail service for Fedora users. But obviously no good for a technical support list, where users often come to sort out their problems, not having to deal with a new one before they can even ask. There probably needs to be something during the mailing list registration set up that lists a number of services that are known to be problematic. Sure, you can't possibly list every little service provider, but if one of the world's biggest has serious false spam triggering, I think it ought to get mentioned. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. I don't think it's pure coincidence that "officialdom" sounds the same as "official dumb." -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
