Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

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On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 18:24 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 08/13/15 18:17, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 17:02 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > > On 08/13/15 16:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > throws up a whole bunch of of hits which don't include the word
> > > > EnvironmentFile.
> > > Oh, I think I parsed your statement wrong.  I should have read it 
> > > as 
> > > "more than EnvironmentFile contains that syntax such as 
> > > ExecStartPre". 
> > > 
> > > But that then results in a different question which can be answer 
> > > in 
> > > the same manner which results in finding the same man page and 
> > > the 
> > > following output....
> > > 
> > >        ExecStartPre=, ExecStartPost=
> > >            Additional commands that are executed before or after 
> > > the 
> > > command in
> > >            ExecStart=, respectively. Syntax is the same as for 
> > > ExecStart=,
> > >            except that multiple command lines are allowed and the 
> > > commands are
> > >            executed one after the other, serially.
> > > 
> > >            If any of those commands (not prefixed with "-") fail, 
> > > the 
> > > rest are
> > >            not executed and the unit is considered failed.
> > You can argue that if you like, but my point is that on seeing the
> > examples the natural conclusion is that here is some new syntax I 
> > don't
> > know about, so let me look in the systemd docs for some 
> > explanation.
> > The fact that it's only documented in specific examples makes it 
> > much
> > harder to find. I don't expect the syntax of environment variable
> > assignments to be explained every time one of them shows up in a 
> > man
> > page.
> 
> I'm not arguing, I'm making statements.  And, BTW, as I said I think 
> the usage of "-" is context dependent.  Have a look at "man 
> systemd.slice".  So it seems the question "what is the general 
> meaning of -" may be an invalid question.
> 
> The only point I'm making is, the answer to the original question 
> seems easy to come by if one just makes the effort.  Nothing more, 
> nothing less.

And my point is that it depends. I did make a considerable effort
without finding this and I'm not a newbie at this stuff. Maybe if you
had just given the straight dope instead of insisting it was easy to
find we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I propose to leave it at that.

poc

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