(replying to two posts)
On 07/28/2015 05:37 PM, William wrote:
On 07/28/2015 01:55 PM, William wrote:
Good afternoon,
On 07/23/2015 02:56 PM, William wrote:
Hi all,
While doing my routine patches and scans, "chkrootkit reported the
following:
(*** snip ***)
Checking `asp'... not infected
Checking `bindshell'... warning, got bogus l2cap line.
warning, got bogus l2cap line.
(*** snip ***)
warning, got bogus l2cap line.
INFECTED (PORTS: 3133)
Checking `lkm'... chkproc: nothing detected
(*** snip ***)
I ran "rkhunter" immediately after the "chkrootkit" run finished,
and it reported no problems. How do I determine if this is a false
alarm or a real problem? If this is a real problem, what should I
do about it? Also, as I'm neither a security expert nor a sysadmin,
what is port 3133 used for?
thanks,
Bill.
I realized a lot later that I also should have mentioned that the
"chkrootkit" run was shortly after doing "yum update", "prelink -a",
and rebooting. I don't know if that's significant.
> By examining the chkrootkit program -- it's a large shell script with
> a few helper tools -- to understand what it does to perform a check.
??? I looked at that long sh script. It didn't help. I don't see
how knowing that chkrootkit uses "netstat" to check a port tells me
whether or not I have a real problem. I don't understand what it
means that a port is infected. I am a home user stuck doing his own
sysadmin and security with no training or experience in these things.
Do I have a security problem? If yes, how do I fix it?
> At http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/chkrootkit somebody has looked into
> the l2cap warning before.
Thank-you.
thanks,
Bill.
> I'm not sure why you're using prelink, but if you're worried about
> security you might consider adding -r to the command.
Some time ago, I was getting a lot of warnings from "rkhunter". Both
John Horne (of "rkhunter" fame) and the "rkhunter" warnings suggested
I do a "prelink -a" after doing "yum update", but before running
"rkhunter". It worked. So I always run "prelink -a" after doing "yum
update" and before doing "chkrootkit" and "rkhunter".
The "-r" option requires an address. What address should I provide?
Did you mean "-R" or "-r"?
thanks,
Bill.
Michael Schwendt said:
Then I suggest that chkrootkit is not the right tool for you.
You may ask why not? Because it's far from bullet-proof. Some of
the checks it implements are no longer relevant these days. There
are more modern rootkits that are not covered by chkrootkit. There is
no database that would receive online updates to cover more known
rootkits or vulnerabilities. It only tries to check for a few modifications
it is aware of. Other checks are not safe but only very rudimentary.
Even normal processes running on a normal installation can confuse
it. For a very long time, it considered the main systemd executable as
infected, and nobody did anything about that. Everywhere you could
meet Fedora users asking whether Fedora's official ISO images would be
infected. There's a README file included in the Fedora package, which
comments on the problem of "false positives". It's the user's
responsibility to verify what chkrootkit reports, because it's not
safe to rely on it. Running chkrootkit gives a false sense of
security. If it doesn't find anything (and rkhunter not either), you
could still be affected by something it cannot find (even an only
slightly modified rootkit) or by some other vulnerability it doesn't
even check for.
There are multiple layers of security. As a home user, better focus on
tools that protect your machine from intruders. Such as a firewall,
SELinux, security relevant updates, not running things as superuser
root, and deciding carefully what to install or execute on your machine.
Thank-yo for your comments, Michael. I *partially* agree.
I already realized that "chkrootkit" is not bullet-proof. I understand
that *no* security tool or method is bullet-proof. Malicious people are
always brewing new evil things, and security tools and methods are
almost always stuck trying to catch up and keep up. I suspected that
"chkrootkit" did not on its own get updates from some on-line database,
but I wasn't sure. I hoped that maybe it was getting such updates when I
do "yum update". You seem to be implying apparently not. :)
This tool (along with "rkhunter" and SELinux) do not give me a false
sense of security. But they sure occasionally give me a serious scare.
As for the possibility of false positives, that's why I come to this
group (or for "rkhunter", its group) when I receive a warning or alert.
It's obvious to me that the contributors to these groups include some
real experts, and I trust the groups.
If "chkrootkit" is so bad and out of date, are we getting any value from
it? Is it completely redundant with SELinux and "rkhunter"? If it's not
adding anything beyond what SELinux and "rkhunter" do, maybe it should
be removed from Fedora?
A couple years ago, when I got my new home system, I asked this group
what I should do to secure and scan my system. The group recommended
"chkrootkit" and "rkhunter". So those are what I use. I have SELinux; I
assume that by default, it's set/configured appropriately. The one
exception is changes that Ed Greshko coached me through to get printing
working. I'm hoping that the firewall is set appropriately by default.
I do a "yum update" every week to stay current. Is there something else
that I should do?
Back to the original question: Is that "INFECTED (PORTS: 3133)" alert a
false alarm or a real problem?
Joe Zeff said:
> Sorry; that should have been -R. The idea is to randomize where the
> various libraries are located, making it harder for malware (if any) to
> hook into them.
Thank-you, Joe. Depending on responses to my previous paragraphs
(responding to Michael), I'll try that tomorrow when I do my weekly
patches and scans.
Bill.
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