On 2015-06-19 15:10, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/19/2015 11:26 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> On 2015-06-18 17:47, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> >There should also be a ~/.xsession-errors.old and with luck, it >>> >might have something in it. >> There isn't. (I'd be inclined to suspect that things have only gotten to >> the point where a .xsession-errors would be created the one time.) > > Interesting. My guess is that there's a three step process here: delete > .xsession-errors.old, move .xsession-errors to .xsession-errors.old, > create a new version of .xsession-errors, one right after the other. Probably, but... > Having no .old file makes it look like it crashed between steps one and > two, which seems improbable. I do wish I knew what that meant! ...my guess is that once and only once has it even gotten to step 1. Remember, I *can't log in*. Not via kdm, not in a TTY, not over ssh, *not at all*. No login --> never even tries to start X (not as my user, anyway). I'm increasingly unconvinced that it has anything whatsoever to do with X. More like it can't start a login session. I'd guess that recovery mode does something that's just a bit different, as that is the *only* way I can get to a usable environment of any kind. (Hrm... on that note, it's interesting to note that the one and only GUI program I was able to try to run is Konsole... which tries to start a new pty and shell session immediately, i.e. isn't entirely unlike logging in a second time. I'd *almost* say it's starting the shell that's the trouble, except I'm not sure why that would work in emergency mode but not otherwise.) -- Matthew -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org