Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Sun, 03 May 2015 17:33:53 +0200 > Frantisek Hanzlik <franta@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Marko Vojinovic wrote: >>> On Sun, 03 May 2015 14:04:37 +0200 >>> Frantisek Hanzlik <franta@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> - (bigger harm) Why hasn't Fedora alternative (upstart/openrc) >>>> init? >>> >>> Umm, because everyone is happy with systemd? :-) >>> >>> If you want Fedora to have an alternative init, roll up your sleeves >>> and dig in, make it happen! ;-) >>> >>> :-)alternative init >>> Marko >> >> Marko thanks to Your reply, but: >> - All around perhaps are not happy, as I'm not. And perhaps all those, >> who do not have the ability to say it here. >> >> - about 'alternative init' what can you recommend to me to make this >> happen? I must say, I'm not programmer, rather user and administrator >> for several Linux/Un*x machines. But I really want somehow interest >> in this issue. > > I guess the smileys I put up there didn't do their job. > > My comment above was tongue-in-cheek. It is the type of the response > one gets from systemd-advocates whenever a question similar to yours > pops up on this list. > > The init system is not just any old package that you can replace on > your system. Rather, it is an integral piece of gear, interwoven with > the kernel and a whole bunch of other mission-critical apps for any > Linux distro. In this sense, changing one init system for another is a > highly nontrivial task, and requires expert knowledge of all sorts of > under-the-hood stuff in Linux. There are not so many people on the > planet who have the knowledge to actually sit down and write an in-place > substitute for systemd. That is why there is no alternative for Fedora. > > In other words, if you want to make an alternative init system, you need > to be somewhat like Lennart Poettering. And he is a tough act to > follow, in more ways than one... ;-) > > My approach to this issue has been to learn to live with systemd, and > hope that the reasons for its existence will ultimately be of global > benefit. It's the same frame of mind one has when paying taxes --- > they're unavoidable, painful for the individual, and are supposed to > be beneficial for the progress of the community (although that's not > immediately obvious to the individual). > > I do this by learning about systemd on-the-fly --- as much as I need to > get my job done, and never any more than that. :-) > > HTH, :-) > Marko Marko, thanks, I'm not sure when init daemon is some extraordinary. As I wrote, systemd announces itself as compatible with SysV init - and in its early stages (in F14 it was chaser but optional) it was option for upstart. And what I understood, other distros consider the systemd deployment, but as alternative to their existing init daemons. PS: No, I do no want be somewhat like Lennart Poettering - destroyed Linux audio subsystem speaks for itself (but I thing it was benefical for ms windows ecosystem). I only want a system that is understandable and that I can rely on - it's all. -- With regards, Franta Hanzlik -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
