Tim: >> Jeez, but that sounds such a crap encumbrance. Even just a log out >> and log back in again is a severe nuisance. It's beginning to sound >> a lot like Windows; built for morons, by morons. Michael Schwendt: > How do you restart already running processes after an upgrade of > system libraries and/or services, for example? > > Log out and log back in is not enough. Some of us abandoned crap OSs, like Windows, because we were sick of its reboot disease. Going down that route is seriously annoying. It means you can't do an update without having to set aside time to waste as you go through at least one reboot. And, with Windows, their "reboot all the time" attitude can mean several reboots, as it just doesn't seem to cope with doing everything in one step. Oh look, something changed, better reboot... Are we, now, going to have that same problem as some things can't handle a state change, that are going to get upset while you're trying to reboot? I've certainly seen Windows get stuck in a prolonged reboot loop. Hell, I've even watched an entire movie while waiting for Windows to finish an update cycle. Any package that needs a restart (whether that be an update of the thing itself, or an update of a library for a package that will require the thing to be restarted) can have a flag in its RPM that lets the system know. We already have that feature, don't we? Put the onus on the package maintainers to determine if a restart is needed, and pour scorn on those who stupidly just enable it when it's not needed. The update routine could retrigger the restart at the appropriate time. Far better to have the update routines restart a few processes while the computer carries on, than require me to be doing nothing on the PC while its updating, and then waste more time with reboots. And far better, for us, to not have restarts and reboots inflicted upon us if we do not really need them. -- tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.18.9-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 9 17:04:05 UTC 2015 i686 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
