On Sun, 2015-02-22 at 15:01 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > What you're talking about might be in-scope for blivet-gui. It > definitely sounds out of scope for a GUI OS installer. > > Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them. > And their installers are completely, totally, bullet proof. They don't > ever crash, or ask the user to create required partitions, they always > succeed in their penultimate goal which is to install a bootable OS. > And there are essentially zero user complaints about these installers. > There's nothing at all to even complain about because they don't do > anything except meet their primary requirement. Not even their > developers or testers even complain about the installer, it does one > thing successfully. While I don't find it hard to believe that Windows developers won't complain. After all, just about all Windows users do is install Windows as a new install, or over the top of a previous one, with no intention of doing anything like dual-boot. Shoe-horn it in, that's all they care about. These days, it's all single-partition, or act like it's single-partition with a hidden boot/recovery partition that the user doesn't know about. I find it harder to believe that users don't complain about the Windows installer. I've certainly seen it fuck up, and I can't be the only one. It was a gamble to see whether an install over the top could manage to keep existing data, never mind settings. And trying to get it to install to the right drive in a two-drive PC was nothing but trial and error (one drive for Windows, a second drive for video on a non-linear editing suite). I, also, am rather incredulous of how difficult it is to have the Linux installer simply do what the user tells it to do, instead of second-guessing them and denying them of what they want to do. If I select custom partition, and edit partitions myself, type of options, I expect it to have a GUI that does what I tell it to do. In the past, before the live DVD install era, I'd boot the install disc and wait for to pause on some screen, then CTRL + ALT + FUNCTION-KEY to another terminal, and fdisc my hard drive, and go back to the installer and have it use my pre-defined partitions. Even further back, I'd select the options to check partitions for faults, rather than get a nasty surprise a few months in when the drive reaches a certain amount of fullness and comes across a bad section. I don't know what's really so hard about giving us a simple GUI hard drive partitioner somewhere in the install routine. Using the command line tool is a pain (e.g. you cannot see any details about the rest of the drive while you're working on making a partition), and there are other standalone GUI partitioning tools that exist. Leave the so-called automatic smart partitioning to those people who choose the full-automatic option. -- tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.18.7-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Wed Feb 11 21:16:53 UTC 2015 i686 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
