Re: getting rid of yum

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On 15. 12. 2014 at 10:34:30, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> Because (from what I understood, perhaps incorrectly) yum is going away in
> favor dnf, I was trying to get used to the latter. Because the former is so
> ingrained in me, I was trying to get rid of it from the system so that not
> having it available would force me to think and thus get used to dnf.
> 
> So I try:
> 
> dnf erase yum
> 
>  abrt                              x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21        @System  
> 1.9 M abrt-addon-ccpp                   x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21       
> @System   275 k abrt-addon-kerneloops             x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21    
>    @System    74 k abrt-addon-pstoreoops             x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21 
>       @System    14 k abrt-addon-python                 x86_64  
> 2.3.0-3.fc21        @System    19 k abrt-addon-python3               
> x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21        @System    14 k abrt-addon-vmcore             
>    x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21        @System    40 k abrt-addon-xorg            
>       x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21        @System    17 k abrt-cli                
>          x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21        @System     0 abrt-libs              
>           x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21        @System    51 k abrt-plugin-bodhi   
>              x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21        @System    20 k abrt-python      
>                 x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21        @System    57 k abrt-python3  
>                    x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21        @System    53 k
> abrt-retrace-client               x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21        @System  
> 105 k abrt-tui                          x86_64   2.3.0-3.fc21       
> @System    24 k anaconda-core                     x86_64   21.48.21-1.fc21 
>    @System   7.7 M anaconda-gui                      x86_64  
> 21.48.21-1.fc21     @System   1.2 M anaconda-tui                     
> x86_64   21.48.21-1.fc21     @System   373 k anaconda-yum-plugins          
>    noarch   1:1.0-10.fc20       @System    21 k createrepo                 
>       noarch   0.10.3-3.fc21       @System   301 k fedup                   
>          noarch   0.9.0-2.fc21        @System   253 k libreport            
>             x86_64   2.3.0-5.fc21        @System   1.8 M libreport-anaconda
>                x86_64   2.3.0-5.fc21        @System    15 k libreport-cli  
>                   x86_64   2.3.0-5.fc21        @System    29 k
> libreport-fedora                  x86_64   2.3.0-5.fc21        @System   
> 40 k libreport-gtk                     x86_64   2.3.0-5.fc21        @System
>   219 k libreport-plugin-bugzilla         x86_64   2.3.0-5.fc21       
> @System   147 k libreport-plugin-kerneloops       x86_64   2.3.0-5.fc21    
>    @System    37 k libreport-plugin-logger           x86_64   2.3.0-5.fc21 
>       @System    35 k libreport-plugin-reportuploader   x86_64  
> 2.3.0-5.fc21        @System    71 k libreport-plugin-ureport         
> x86_64   2.3.0-5.fc21        @System    55 k libreport-python              
>    x86_64   2.3.0-5.fc21        @System    94 k libreport-python3          
>       x86_64   2.3.0-5.fc21        @System    41 k libreport-web           
>          x86_64   2.3.0-5.fc21        @System    44 k livecd-tools         
>             x86_64   1:21.4-1.fc21       @System   144 k lorax             
>                x86_64   21.30-1.fc21        @System   440 k
> python-imgcreate                  x86_64   1:21.4-1.fc21       @System  
> 282 k python-meh                        noarch   0.32-3.fc21        
> @System   251 k python-meh-gui                    noarch   0.32-3.fc21     
>    @System    24 k yum                               noarch  
> 3.4.3-153.fc21      @System   5.6 M yum-langpacks                    
> noarch   0.4.4-1.fc21        @System    66 k yum-plugin-fastestmirror      
>    noarch   1.1.31-27.fc21      @System    53 k
> yum-plugin-remove-with-leaves     noarch   1.1.31-27.fc21      @System   
> 26 k yum-utils                         noarch   1.1.31-27.fc21      @System
>   324 k
> 
> 
> Question: why do stuff like createrepo, fedup, livecd-tools, etc still
> depend on yum? Should they be made to depend on dnf now, in which case,
> should there be a bug report on this?

We have already filed bugs to all those components that still rely on yum and 
we hope people will port them soon. See the tracking bug [1] for details. We 
continuously work on improving the documentation so people have some 
examples to follow when porting their applications. We are also available on 
#yum @ FreeNode to answer potential questions.

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1156491

As for createrepo, that's a different topic. This project is going to die 
alongside yum, as it shares some of the code base. At this point we are 
working on createrepo_c. Written in C, it is ~30% more efficient and almost 
feature complete when compared to the old createrepo (only deltas are missing 
at this point but work in underway to change that).

Thanks
Jan
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