-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 07/05/14 20:13, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > So, how should this mess get fixed? Start filing bugs against all these packages, requesting a change to their systemd service file, to state a dependency on network-online.target? FWIW, I'm running a fully updated F20 system and not seeing any problems for httpd and named Last login: Sat Jul 5 21:46:26 CST 2014 on pts/0 [root@f20f ~]# uptime 21:59:25 up 0 min, 1 user, load average: 1.33, 0.44, 0.15 [root@f20f ~]# journalctl -b -u httpd.service - -- Logs begin at Thu 2013-12-19 06:42:00 CST, end at Sat 2014-07-05 21:59:21 CST. Jul 05 21:59:00 f20f.greshko.com systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP Server... Jul 05 21:59:02 f20f.greshko.com systemd[1]: Started The Apache HTTP Server. [root@f20f ~]# journalctl -b -u named-chroot.service - -- Logs begin at Thu 2013-12-19 06:42:00 CST, end at Sat 2014-07-05 21:59:49 CST. Jul 05 21:58:57 f20f.greshko.com systemd[1]: Starting Berkeley Internet Name Domai Jul 05 21:58:59 f20f.greshko.com named-checkconf[1270]: zone 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa/ Jul 05 21:58:59 f20f.greshko.com named-checkconf[1270]: zone 1.168.192.in-addr.arp Jul 05 21:58:59 f20f.greshko.com named-checkconf[1270]: zone 128.75.211.in-addr.ar Jul 05 21:58:59 f20f.greshko.com named-checkconf[1270]: zone greshko.com/IN: loade I also run with NetworkManager-wait-online.service enabled. There was a specific reason I started running with that enabled....don't remember why. But, you may want to check that. - -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlO4BcoACgkQ4JnKjVbCBvoNCgCfX5yA+JPlPO9/HXppu22hfea1 U6oAn12DjvT+IoAzPVtBYaqW0CAMp4Jo =uRAQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org