On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 05:03:05PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: Reposted from > Fedora Workstation, and an alternate view — both part of Fedora! > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Workstation developer Christian Schaller wrote a long blog post > explaining some of the mindset and background behind the upcoming > Fedora Workstation. If you care about Linux on the desktop, this is an > interesting read, whether you’re a GNOME fan or not (and whether or not > you agree). And if you *do* disagree, remember that that’s absolutely > okay too. Longtime Fedora contributor Stephen Smoogen (a self-described > “411 year old Linux administrator”) has a great blog post responding to > one particular Fedora Workstation decision and why he’s not worried. > * http://smoogespace.blogspot.com/2014/04/why-i-am-not-worried-about-lack-of.html I was really eager to read of "...why he’s not worried..." but the long & short of the post: <The Blog Post Start> Why I am not worried about the lack of a default firewall in F21 Workstation So one of the proposals for Fedora 21 is that the Workstation Product will not ship with a firewall. Normally I would be up in arms about something like this (I expect someone can find my emails in the past) but not this time. It might be the mai-tais and my vacation talking, but I look at many of these changes to the Workstation as product differentiation points. If Fedora Workstation does X, Y, and Z then the Xedora product can aim at not doing those. Maybe Xedora is an OS for people who are tired old grumpy system administrators who the world has passed by. Maybe it will come with E19 and FVWM2 desktops with a firewall and a E-toolkit configurator for firewalld, maybe it will be KDE and QT configuration tools for items that the Workstation isn't aiming at. Then both groups can get what they want without a lot of squabbling and wasted Email trying to convince each other items that the other side feels are strawmen arguments. Anyway, my mai-tai has arrived. Have fun. <The Blog Post End> Nothing much of an answer to the main question/concern except: a) I look at many of these changes to the Workstation as product differentiation points b) Maybe Xedora is an OS for people who are tired old grumpy system administrators who the world has passed by. That summarizes the whole blog. So in order to create a "differentiation" between products, a security feature is being removed or rather put in a sleeping beauty mode & people concerned about it are "tired old grumpy system administrators who the world has passed by." A typical main stream media negative reporting tactics based on tagging & gung-ho attitude on the assumptions that concerned people are Admins & not users since users are clueless dunderheads. Well, in my opinion we should go further to make Fedora desktop user's OS experience smoother. Remove Selinux or disable it by default. PAM etc password/login checks shouldn't be bothered with especially with laptops etc since in majority of cases there is only one user. Go even further. Put all file access to 777 so that there no access denied errors at any point of operations due to this ancient & cumbersome restrictive policy. The system may even run faster. I have started wondering, why iptables/firewall & other securities were even invented & incorporated in the first place, what were their purposes??? A very negative blog not worth mentioning. -- vikram... ^^'''''^^||root||^^^'''''''^^ // \\ )) //(( \\// \\ // /\\ || \\ / )) (( \\ -- We don't smoke and we don't chew, and we don't go with girls that do. -- Walter Summers -- . - ~|~ = -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
